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Friday Forum: Law & Order: UK Episode 3.2, "Hounded" - Discussion Thread



Episode 3.2 - "Hounded", by Catherine Tregenna
It's that time again, and here is the place - discuss the second episode of L&O:UK Series 3! We will definitely keep these coming for the duration of the ITV run. NOTE: For those who are in Canada for whom the show just kicked off again last night, you can discuss episode 3.1 "Broken" on last week's Friday Forum thread.  Also, once the S1 and S2 episodes begin airing on BBC America, we will probably do another discussion thread on Mondays if anyone's interested. (How many peeps are not caught up with the UK run at this point?  I know there are quite a few of you, so we're down for it if you want. ;) )

-Thoughts on "Hounded" - I thought this episode, yet again, demonstrated a marked change of pace for the show - the stories may be taken from the same stock, but there is a naturalistic and organic note to the way the episode flows, the way the line readings sound, and the characters relate to one another.  Really, really loving those choices and SO excited now to see the rest of what Emilia & Co. have in store from the writer's room!  

-I love how much teamwork is on screen between Teams Law and Order, seeing James and Alesha down at MIU quite a bit, banging out case details with the coppers. And Natalie was involved a lot this week!  I have GOT to make my DI Chandler "HBIC" icon at some point ;)
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-Though as with last week, it was an emotional and tough case (albeit maybe not quite as shocking), it's still always nice to see a brief respite of humor from time to time. The fact that this week's involved Matt's HAWTNESS was extra special.



Ohhh, how I laughed. XD

- There is such a wonderful shorthand to the way Jamie and Bradley play off each other.  Even when they're delivering expositional dialogue, it seems less utilitarian than before and more a matter of working through each other's thoughts, making sure they're on the same page. *sigh*... yeah, I'm about to do it again: ♥ COPPERS1!!11!!!!1!11 ♥

- There were comments on louk_mattdevlin last week about how sometimes the female defence briefs are portrayed as self-serving and publicity hungry; I think, to address their concern, this week's brief Cassie Shaw (Neve McIntosh) was a fine counterpoint to that perception. Just doing her job, and doing it very well... if anything, James (though he was right in the end) demonstrated a bit of arsey, over-confident behavior this week!  (Only fair... we're all human, and this case obviously became very personal for him.)  BTW, is it just me or does Neve McIntosh's looks/mannerisms remind one slightly of Kerry Norton? Like, they could be sisters or something. That kind of threw me for a sec, LOL.

- I was glad I didn't see the orignal L&O episode for this one (or at least, didn't remember it) because I didn't see the ending coming and thought it was, though tragic, quite excellent. (I knew Darnell would end up relapsing and going down, and I had a feeling he might attack the fiancee's daughter, but I wasn't quite expecting the fiancee to end up murdering him in an angry rage. Good lord... deeply naive and misguided faith she may have had in him, but she did have faith. World of hurt, that.)

OK, enough of my babbling... discuss away, kiddies!  Oh, before I go though... that image up top is an alernate shot from this episode. Guess who has three more of them? ;)

  

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esmerelda_t From: esmerelda_t Date: September 17th, 2010 07:16 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I thought that again this was much a stronger episode. There was an ambiguity to it that I can't imagine season 1/2 having. One of the problems I had with the previous episodes is that James Steel was such as self righteous arse. He was being a self righteous arse here too but instead of it being celebrated as it would have last season there was an implication in this episode that he had made the situation worse with his behavior and inability to keep his personal feelings out of it.

I was looking at one of the British entertainment sites earlier and noted last night's rating was 4 million, which is pretty poor. It's too early to tell on one rating as it could bounce back next week, but it'll be a shame if a vastly improved show proceeds to tank. The week after next, Jamie's big ep, will be against New Tricks, one of Britian's most popular shows and the rating that day will probably be a write off. If the rest of this runs eps dont stay around the 5 million mark though I think the future of the show will be in serious doubt.

zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 17th, 2010 07:23 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
If the rest of this runs eps dont stay around the 5 million mark though I think the future of the show will be in serious doubt.

Well, they've already greenlit another 13, which begin filming next month. So you can count on Series 5 and 6 at any rate. ;)

(If you want a reason for last night's ratings dip: Footy. It happens to the best of 'em.)
esmerelda_t From: esmerelda_t Date: September 17th, 2010 07:36 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I wonder if they have the option to cancel that order? Or shorten it at any rate as I imagine it's too late to cancel it altoghether.

I did see there was football, I think the danger may be though that a couple of events such as football/New Tricks, and people just get out of the habit of watching. The flip side of that though is it's the sort of show where you can miss a week and watch again the next week and not miss anything. I do think it's too soon to tell if this is the start if a worrying trend though, if it bounces back next week it'll probably be alright.

Of course it's sod's law that now I'm enjoying it ITV will get rid! :)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 17th, 2010 07:41 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I definitely think it's too soon to begin prognosticating about the death of the show based on one night's dip in ratings. Frankly, even after the dip, it's still one of ITV's better-rated scripted shows overall so I really don't think it's in that much danger, yet.
esmerelda_t From: esmerelda_t Date: September 17th, 2010 08:19 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Oh I quite agree, one bad rating (and it is a bad rating for ITV) for a show that typically rates solidly isn't by any means the end of the world, I just think it's worth watching what it does next week, after all, ratings watching is half the fun of being a fangirl! :)
From: arascophi Date: September 19th, 2010 01:42 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Wait, what??
This is ongoing???
I thought LOUK was done after 3 seasons, close the book, end of line, move along, nothing to see here, these are not the droids you are looking for... The networks ordered more?
PLEASE, tell me that I understood that correctly. I am tired and overdosed on advil and tylonol due to a horrendous toothache that I can't get in to have fixed 'till next week. A little good news like that will make me so much more happier.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: September 19th, 2010 02:52 am (UTC) (Link Me)
While there has been no official announcement from ITV, the actors have discussed going back to work soon. So, if you want to assume there are 13 more episodes being filmed you could should.
From: arascophi Date: September 19th, 2010 01:04 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
#ishappy.

KK, so I am going to stumble outta this topic as I have only just started watching LOUK due to lack of availability in my podunk village. (Only have watched S1 1-3)

Thanks for the info!
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 19th, 2010 04:55 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
New Tricks is on bbc1 on Friday not Thurs so there shouldn't be a conflict.
spongetrisha From: spongetrisha Date: September 17th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Try not to worry about the ratings too much, remember 2 ITV regions (STV and Grampian) are not showing LOUK at the same time, so I wouldn;t read too much into it.

I really enjoyed this weeks epi - Matt was great, there's a natural progession and coming over more mature but he's still a little flirt - I love it. Also love how well Matt and Ronnie play off each other.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: September 19th, 2010 06:41 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Good point about some regions not airing the series. I'm sure ITV takes that into consideration. I know cable networks here look at ratings for multiple showings (for instance a show airs at 9, then repeats at Midnight).

I would agree Matt seems a bit more mature this season. I feel he's much more Ronnie's equal now and two weeks in a row he's taken the lead on questioning suspects.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 17th, 2010 10:05 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Gratuitous picspammage INCOMING.



scifishipper From: scifishipper Date: September 18th, 2010 01:35 am (UTC) (Link Me)
OMG! That's the one. That third pic has me swooning. I stopped watching last night and rewound to cap it. OMG OMG OMG. Did I say how flailing I was. I have a thing for those bottom teeth of his (TMI!) - Thanks for posting. I have yet to go through my caps. I'll be back with some later! YAYAY!
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 18th, 2010 06:30 am (UTC) (Link Me)
It's a good hair shot, too. Gooooooood hair shot. *pets the hair*

Sorry, this was supposed to be a proper discussion thread and we've gone right off the rails. Cool it with the pretty for just five seconds, Detective, for god's sake! ')
asta77 From: asta77 Date: September 19th, 2010 06:43 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Hee! That last image stood out for me as well. ;)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 20th, 2010 03:34 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Everybody, en-masse!: *PAUSE BUTTON* ;)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: September 19th, 2010 05:53 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I know we're only episodes into the new season, but it's already feeling like a much stronger season to me. Now, the actors had thirteen episodes of working together behind them and some months off in which to think about their characters before shooting the next thirteen eps and I think that all shows.

You mentioned how great it was to see everyone in a room together and I would agree. (Although, I actually chuckled during the scene since a behind the scenes photo taken during the filming of the scene serves as the background on my VAIO. ;) I'm sensing more of closeness, even camaraderie, between them all, something I've never felt on the original L&O.

I think, to address their concern, this week's brief Cassie Shaw (Neve McIntosh) was a fine counterpoint to that perception. Just doing her job, and doing it very well... if anything, James (though he was right in the end) demonstrated a bit of arsey, over-confident behavior this week!

I really liked Shaw. I'm assuming she was a public defender (or whatever the British equivalent is) and while she served her client well, it also seemed as if she had her doubts.

Having seen the original L&O ep this was based on (this was the first time I've gone, "Hey! I know this story! He's guilty!"), it seemed to me that there were more elements of Jack McCoy in James in this particular episode. Now, Jack has always struck me as a self-righteous, arrogant ass who happens to be very good at his job. In 'Mad Dog', Jack allowed his convictions to lead to disaster for what he believed to be the greater good. ('Mad Dog' differed in one respect. The rapist had reestablished a relationship with his adult daughter and ended up raping her friend/roommate. She walked in on it and killed him.)

Directly addressing the hotness of one of the detectives (Matt) is something I know they did during the Benjamin Bratt (Detective Curtis) era of L&O: UK. There was even the arc where Curtis was tempted to hook up with Lauren Graham's Hollywood studio exec.

And is it just me or is there a James/Alesha vibe? Or am I reading to much into Alesha telling James he was buying her a meal? ;)

zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 20th, 2010 03:33 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Now, the actors had thirteen episodes of working together behind them and some months off in which to think about their characters before shooting the next thirteen eps and I think that all shows.

Absolutely. They all look/sound/feel more at home with the characters. Although young Devlin really needs to do something about that desk of his. SO utilitarian! At least spruce up the clutter like Ronnie's done with that little bonsai. (Little glass of Jelly Babies not strictly required. Yes, I'm paying THAT much attention. *cackle*)

('Mad Dog' differed in one respect. The rapist had reestablished a relationship with his adult daughter and ended up raping her friend/roommate. She walked in on it and killed him.)

Interesting. I'm not sure which of the two scenarios is the more tragic, really, although this one has that sad air of the fiancee's confidence that she *knew* and trusted this man and his rehabilitation, only to have it come crashing down so spectacularly.

My bets are still on a hook-up with Anna (the defender Matt flirts with in "Samaritan"), if she ever comes back, and IF there's a hook-up at all. ;) Being a workplace fling, it won't work out obviously. That is unless they introduce someone more suitable into the mix...

Although speaking of workplace flings, I agree it felt like a strong undercurrent to that dinner invite scene. (One which, as you will no doubt be unsurprised to learn, has the James/Alesha shippers doing somersaults at the moment. XD)

ayajedi From: ayajedi Date: January 22nd, 2011 06:09 am (UTC) (Link Me)

Shallow comment is shallow

I've just come in here to say I prefer Jamie with his slightly longer, more blonde hair.
That is all
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: January 22nd, 2011 08:17 am (UTC) (Link Me)

Re: Shallow comment is shallow

You are not alone. ;)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: January 22nd, 2011 05:16 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

Re: Shallow comment is shallow

Hee. Jamie's hair has been a hot topic of debate since Season 4 of BSG. I have no preference on color (though it's probably a relief for him not to have to color it), but I'm a fan of the longer hair too. :)
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