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Friday Forum: Law & Order: UK Episode 3.3, "Defence" - Discussion Thread

Episode 3.2, "Defense", by Debbie O'Malley


Sorry for the delay in getting the discussion post up. I'm feeling a bit under the weather today. However, finally managing to stay awake long enough to watch the latest episode improved my well being and mood greatly. :)



This seemed like a more straightforward case than pretty much any case before. By that I mean, I knew there was no way John Smith (I wonder if Freema had any Doctor Who flashbacks? ;) was going to walk out of court a free man. Even James seemed more confident than usual. It was just a matter of the extent of his sentence and whether or not he would get the help he needed.

Rupert Graves did a marvelous job as John Smith. When off the medication, he didn't overplay the affects of John's disease on his behavior and he managed to make me feel a bit of sympathy for the man. John knew what he had done, confronted both by overwhelming evidence and buried memories, but it's easy to understand why he fought so hard not to face the truth.

We got to see more of Natalie this week. We're only three episodes into the latest series, but it seems as if her role has been expanded. I very much approve of this.

And was I the only one excited to see the detectives and prosecutors, once again, hanging out in the detectives room to discuss the case? I'm really loving these moments. Not just because it provides another setting for most of the cast to interact with each other, but because I feel such interaction allows everyone to be viewed as equals. Maybe it's just me, but in the original Law & Order, I always felt as if the order side felt superior to the law side. I don't get that impression at all on this show.

James and Alesha. Is there any doubt there is something going on there? At this point, I'm just waiting for the episode where one of the other characters notices one of them is wearing the same outfit two days in a row. ;p


Ending on a shallow note.


What is it with Jamie and uniforms? OK, it's just the police flack jacket, but, still! And when he tackled John in the library? Sigh.

Thanks to zegeekgirl for the caps. She'll have more to share in comments. ;)

For the Canadian viewers who may be a week behind, the "Hounded" discussion is HERE.

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zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 24th, 2010 11:03 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I have just scrolled past all of your commentary because I have to watch the "Order" half of the episode tonight. (I know, bad mod. I CRASHED! Long Thursday. :P) So I'll be back with a proper reply later. But for now...

And when he tackled John in the library? Sigh.



ACTION!MATT IS ALL ACTION ALL THE TIME.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: September 24th, 2010 11:23 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
AWESOME GIF! ::smooches::

OK, you may want to avoid my email. Not that I spoiled anything...big. ;)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 25th, 2010 03:17 am (UTC) (Link Me)
YOU ARE WELCOME. Most GIF-worthy moment yet, I think we can all agree. ;) Okay, some more thoughts from me...

- Agree that this was a pretty straightforward case, the suspense in the second half largely predicated on whether or not Smith would be able to convince a jury he could survive on his own. By the time they brought Amanda Root's sister in, I didn't have any doubt that he'd fail at his task, though thanks to the performances. (Graves really is amazingly good. Easily one of the best guest shots on the show so far. Go, Lestrade! ;) Root was great too, though, as was the actress who played the lone survivor; her testimony was fantastic.) I think my one gripe is that his meltdown after being grilled by James on the witness stand seemed a little too easy; are we to assume that he went off his meds again, or was the stress of the situation enough to set him off despite his being heavily medicated? It isn't really made clear so in that sense, it seems to fall in out of nowhere just as the episode needs to wrap up. Otherwise, a fine L&O:UK debut from Deb O'Malley. :)

- "Oh, SORRY, Ronnie, are we interrupting your afternoon tea?!" Hee. I HEART SARCASTIC!NATALIE. Definitely also approve of how much she's been involved, and with the coordination of both teams in all of these episodes so far. They are working so well as a unit, and you're right, the cops definitely feel like an important part of the team here. Somewhere in the back of my head there's a social gathering fic waiting to happen... XD

- Slightly less of our boys this week, but still some brilliant exchanges. ("You gonna buy that?"..."I wouldn't know whether to wear it or eat it." Oh, LULZ, Ronnie. And something tells me he'd never admit it, but there's at least one little jar of poncy face cream in Matt's medicine cabinet. He's just metrosexual enough. XD)

- I also approve of the copious open collar shots. I don't think we've ever seen St. Christopher come out to play as much as he did last night. BUH.

- See above for ACTION!MATT magic. Yeah. It speaks for itself. ♥ (The fact that he tells Ronnie he's not limping afterward when he CLEARLY is was effing hilarious, too. Hee. Sell the pain, Jamie!)

- Oh, and George. "Well, I am indeed the man, but..." Bahahaha! Bill Paterson never ceases to amaze me with his skill at delivering those one-liners. He snuck in another sarcastic jab at the Home Secretary again, too, didn't he? Ace.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: September 26th, 2010 03:21 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I think my one gripe is that his meltdown after being grilled by James on the witness stand seemed a little too easy; are we to assume that he went off his meds again, or was the stress of the situation enough to set him off despite his being heavily medicated?

I'm leaning towards stress causing the meltdown. That once he was forced to confront the buried memories, even the medication couldn't prevent the schizophrenia from coming back full force. Though, I'm not sure that's medially plausible. I'm also wondering if there is a scene missing that will be amongst the DVDs deleted scenes?

I know this is a Jamie Bamber community, but why is no one talking about James and Alesha?!?! ;p
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 26th, 2010 04:47 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I know this is a Jamie Bamber community, but why is no one talking about James and Alesha?!?! ;p

Ha ha ha... I don't know what else to say! I mean, between dinner and drinks it definitely seems like they have a... close working relationship these days. ;) I know the James/Alesha shippers are STOKED by what it all might mean. I guess it's fun to speculate about until the writing confirms something one way or another.
charlsie_esq From: charlsie_esq Date: January 29th, 2011 05:33 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Re: James/Alesha

There is a point where you work side by side with someone every day on a case and that tension is what you look forward to when you are on your way in to work. It doesn't need to go anywhere, the possibility of it is what's fun. Plus, getting involved with a superior is so difficult to manage and when you work in any office where there are always eyes watching -- you don't take that decision likely. So many law/lawyer shows miss the mark when they portray office relationships in a legal setting, I like these scenes, b/c it rings true. Also, when I see these scenes, I think of McCoy and his history with his ADAs. Ben Daniels plays James so power-sexy, it's easy to see how anyone would think about going there. But b/c I am a Matt/Alesha shipper, it's easy for me to see why it needn't go past the flirtation.
ayajedi From: ayajedi Date: January 29th, 2011 02:23 am (UTC) (Link Me)
ActionMatt!!!
pinkylilie From: pinkylilie Date: September 24th, 2010 11:07 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I really love this episode, and especially this scene where Matt tackled John in the library.....he's amazing, and can I say that it's really sexy when Matt is in action?....blush
asta77 From: asta77 Date: September 24th, 2010 11:25 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
As much as I appreciate Matt's investigative skills, I approve of the return of Matt/Jamie is action again. ;)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 25th, 2010 03:29 am (UTC) (Link Me)
She'll have more to share in comments. ;)

Oh, I will, eh?! Yeah.... yeah, of course, I will:

jamie_girl5 From: jamie_girl5 Date: September 26th, 2010 08:58 am (UTC) (Link Me)
It was an interesting episode regarding the Order part of the episode...Rupert Graves did an amazing job...James was great two :-)
Now,about Matt in action...what can I say ? Seeing him when he tackled John in the library.........OMG !!!!!!!! How exciting he's....*drool* Still love the shirts esp when we can see more his chain...blush....
dramaturgca From: dramaturgca Date: September 27th, 2010 05:15 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I was thinking, upon scanning through my over 4200 caps of this ep (muahahaha *gloats*) that the treatment of the gay men at the beginning of the episode was very different from what we might see on American TV, in that they clearly were gay, but it was never explicitly stated and no one felt the need to make an issue of it. I appreciate that.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: September 27th, 2010 05:30 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Something which UK shows have been better about than us for a while now. (It used to be the same with interracial couples, too, although I think U.S. shows have been a great deal better about that in recent years. Niki and D.L. on the first season of "Heroes", for example, it was never addressed at all.)
ayajedi From: ayajedi Date: January 29th, 2011 03:54 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Because it tends to be like that in everyday working life in London. No one batted an eyelid or gave any of my gay colleagues any grief. Very different to where I live now
suzy_74 From: suzy_74 Date: September 27th, 2010 02:44 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Have no idea when I'll get to see these new episodes so skipping text as best as I can but... I just have to say I absolutely love seeing Matt here. Thanks! And to zegeekgirl too of course! Hee. And that tackle! :D
ayajedi From: ayajedi Date: January 29th, 2011 02:58 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I loved Matt's hair in this episode.

Oh and yeah good episode
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