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Law & Order: UK Episode 4.1, "I.D." - Discussion Thread


"I.D." written by Emilia di Girolamo


This discussion is mightily delayed, but there were some issues involving a) getting the opportunity to see it and b) being on vacation and mostly computer and internet free. There was even some talk of skipping "I.D.", but I'm a completest! So this must be written.


"I.D.", with Andy Goddard at the helm, continues to push the envelope in terms of the look of the show. With Series 3 and 4 (or Season 2 for those of us in the U.S.), the series has a richer look, playing with light and shadow, composition and close-ups. I've often felt much of U.K. television, in terms of appearance, has a sameness about it. One cop/detective series looks very much like the next. But L&O:UK is developing it's own style - not like anything in the U.K. and not like it's U.S. counterparts either.

As for the story itself, this struck me as very much an Emilia script: children as both perpetrator and victim. Billy's life is shattered; first by the crime he committed, and then by the prison system that turned a blind eye to his abuse. Billy did deserve to be punished for his involvement in the teacher's murder, but did he deserve to be brutalized himself?. Had he been Alice's killer, was it because he was a bad seed? (As Jono Blake was perceived to be by too many in "Unloved".) Or because the system failed to help him and he resorted to violence, as before, to solve his problems? And I couldn't help but wonder if Rose from "Broken" awaits the same fate as Billy. In prison or out, these children face a life sentence – unable to escape the past and struggling to have a future.

Nicola Walker was superb as Daniela Renzo. By episode's end I really hated her. Another instance of a very twisted love. She was more than willing to let Billy go back to prison so she could continue to work with him or, more precisely, be with him. I did feel early on Daniela was the killer (it had to be either she or Billy), but I appreciated there was a build up to her confession. It was fascinating to watch her story evolve as she was confronted with more and more evidence as to her guilt. And how awesome was Natalie just letting Daniela ramble on as she put on the plastic gloves to take the DNA sample? :)

I'm not sure this counts as a James-centric script, but we certainly saw a lot of him. I LOVED Eli fanboying James and James informing him, “You can get my autograph later.” Hee! And it was nice to see, for once, a plea deal quickly reached even if it was just as quickly tossed aside. I also enjoyed seeing James play investigator (it's not completely realistic, but we've seen Alesha do it before). I suspected Billy was confessing to the teacher's murder, but I can understand why Matt, Ronnie and Alesha took it as a confession to Alice's murder. The circumstances were very similar. At the same time, it presented a nice instance of people hearing what you want to hear in order to get a desired result.

I did have issues with George's reaction to James's unwillingness to participate in a cover-up and what that could result in. I failed to see how one murder trial, and the potential for being unable to seat an unbiased jury, was going to potentially lead to the end of jury trials in the U.K. Maybe I'm missing something as an American, but it seemed like an overreaction.

Did Billy kill himself or was he killed? I'm willing to believe it was the latter, given past history, but I do think it's possible it was the former. He was a broken man at the end with, from his perspective, nothing left to live for.

If I had one complaint about the episode it was the ex-boyfriend, who obviously still hadn't spent enough on anger management therapy and was an obvious red herring. I probably shouldn't even mention it since the red herring is a staple of many a L&O episode.

Finally, is it just me or did Jamie sound like he had a cold during some scenes? ;)


A poll! I don't think I've ever done a poll before. With CityTV airing the episodes at 10:00pm on Thursdays (and relying on the kindness of strangers to see the episodes) it may not be until Saturday that myself and others have the opportunity to see the latest episode. With that in mind, and with your help, I'm trying to determine what day to post the discussion thread. :)

Poll #1643154 'Law & Order: UK' Series 4 Discussion Posts

What Day Works for You?

Sunday
5(62.5%)
Monday
2(25.0%)
Tuesday
0(0.0%)
Wednesday
1(12.5%)


A small bit of administrative business. Lately, there have been individuals opening LJ accounts in order to spam communities with various sales offers. So far, zegeekgirl and I have been able to react quickly and delete the posts. However, if it should keep happening, I may feel it necessary to moderate posts before they can be posted. It's not something I want to do, but I'd rather air on the side of caution and prevent anything potentially offensive from appearing here until LJ finds a way to combat the problem. I'll definitely announce the change should it happen.

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dramaturgca From: dramaturgca Date: November 11th, 2010 05:09 am (UTC) (Link Me)
All days are good days for Bamber.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: November 11th, 2010 05:10 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Firmly agree that the show continues to develop its own visual style, and I have really enjoyed the contrast between what we're seeing in S3 and S4 versus the early episodes as we revisit them on BBCA. :) I did see elsewhere that there were some complaints regarding the camera zooms punctuating the emotional moments in the episode, but maybe it's because I found the script so compelling but I really didn't mind them much.

Emilia's wonderfully thorough research into the prison system and its affects on those inside really paid off in this episode. Caught on to the Billy/Rose/Jono reflections early on in the ep and it felt like a companion piece. (Which, I think she mentioned on Twitter, was her own feeling about the script too.)

The way Natalie handled Daniela's last interrogation scene was indeed ACE. Guv, so much luv! <3 Also, I loved that production decision to have Daniela questioned - both times - in the room with the dodgy flourescent light that keeps blinking! In the first scene, she clearly noticed it but held her own; yet, in the second, it definitely seemed to irk her more and seemed to contribute (if just a little) to her anxiety, leading to where she ultimately broke. Nice.

I also felt like George falling lock-step in line with the DPP felt a bit OOC in this episode, particularly as we've had episodes in the past where, if I'm not mistaken, his attitude was quite literally, quote, "Screw the DPP." ;) That said, he does make some very valid points w/ regard to the criminal system and the death penalty. But still... it's a marked contrast, and I did wonder about it.

The red herring of the ex-boyfriend WAS obvious, but as you say, we kind of expect to see one of those by the 10 minute mark. ;) And at least this one gave us the opportunity to see that hilarious bit of racquetball-court shorthand between Matt and Ronnie. OH THAT WAS GENIUS. You serve, Matty, and I'll catch. Perfect encapsulation of their partnership. Hee.

On a random side note, I was totally surprised and delighted to see Benedict Wong turn up as Eli Smart (the fawning defense brief) - LOVE him! (He's been in a lot of great stuff, including Danny Boyle's Sunshine and State of Play... and also some really ace UK comedy. He made quite a fetching Yoko Ono on Peter Serafinowicz's show. XD)

I definitely noticed that Jamie's voice seemed deeper in this episode. (More noticably than any of the other actors, although granted we have probably spent a LOT more time listening to this voice. What? IT'S A BAMBER COMM! ;) ) Could be he had a cold, BUT... I'm willing to bet that perhaps it's due to a fractionally slower framerate on the NTSC broadcast vs. listening to the UK transmission (PAL) played back on our computers here. I only say this because, out of curiosity, I compared the intro voice-over (which, BTW, I noticed Emilia confirmed to someone on Twitter is actually Robert Glenister, AKA Jimmy Valentine - HOLY SHIT, I never would have guessed!) on this episode vs. a Series 1 ep, and this one definitely sounded slower/deeper. Oh, technology...
asta77 From: asta77 Date: November 11th, 2010 05:23 am (UTC) (Link Me)
The one thing that bothered me a bit visually was, in the first interrogation, the camera was shooting up and seemed to catch the edge of the table. On one hand I found it helped create some icon-worthy shots; on the other hand, it was distracting in that it took me awhile to figure out what was causing the blackness at the bottom of the screen.

I don't know much about frame rates and playback, but I'm willing to believe that could cause the deeper voice. I guess we'll know for sure after this weeks episodes. ;)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: November 11th, 2010 05:24 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Ha! Good point. "It's letterboxed, I know there should be some black there... but that much??"
lemurling From: lemurling Date: November 11th, 2010 05:20 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I admit, I didn't notice a difference in Jamie's voice, but I'll listen for it next time I watch this episode. Which might be a while because thinking back after a few days, it didn't quite grab me. And I really think it was the camera work. It -really- bothered me. Especially the strange angles, and when they started jacking up Jamie's lines during one of the interrogations.

I spoilered myself a bit before watching this episode, and for once, it seems to have hurt the experience for me. Again, I blame the camera work, because I knew that certain things were probably going to happen, and then there was the damn camera telling me to pay attention (and the score was a bit obnoxious too) and it just put me off.

Hmm, apparently I'm in a bad mood, because it's only negative stuff coming right now, yet I remember enjoying the episode when I watched it. Clearly I need to go rewatch my new copy of Shifting Sands, and -then- watch this episode again, while buoyed on a high of adorable baby-Bamberness.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: November 15th, 2010 12:44 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I watched 'Denial' this afternoon and I think zegeekgirl is right about the framerate of the NTSC broadcast. Jamie's voice sounded a bit lower again, as did the voices of some of the other actors.
cleefa From: cleefa Date: November 11th, 2010 11:43 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Hello. *waves* De-lurking for a bit here.

Speaking as an Irish person I found the references to the death penalty and people vying for it's re-introduction a bit weird. Are people in the UK really looking for it's reintroduction?

Also: I love the Guv.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: November 15th, 2010 12:48 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Being an American, it was interesting hearing talk of the death penalty in the UK. I thought it was largely frowned upon in countries outside the U.S. And given that not all states support the death penalty (I live in a non-death penalty state) it's a hotly debated issue here. I doubt it would have been part of the plot unless it was something being discussed.
jill1228 From: jill1228 Date: March 6th, 2011 02:53 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

FTW moments

Eli and his "fanboy squeal". James was SO chill
Natalie was full of WIN!
"they never put anything down gently" was on point! Natalie slammed the file on james' desk "don't ask me how I got this! I even flagged a section for you!"

And when the therapist wanted to leave the room at the end, Natalie told her to sit down. The "don't f*ck with me expression" she gave the therapist was great
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 6th, 2011 07:30 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

Re: FTW moments

It seems like every character, but Natalie, has gotten at least one episode focused on them. I hope she gets her turn in the new episodes being filmed.
moon_very_thin From: moon_very_thin Date: March 6th, 2011 10:27 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

Re: FTW moments

Amen to this! I am so hoping for a Natalie episode.

Though tbh, I'd even settle for Natalie fanfic. (Can't understand why there isn't any)
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