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"Outcasts" Open Discussion Thread

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The long wait is over! Outcasts premieres tonight at 9:00pm on BBC One. Many of you will be able to watch live. Some of us will need to wait for the internet fairies to work their magic. ;) That may be tonight, it may be tomorrow night, but it doesn't seem fair discussion be held up for those woefully waiting. So with the first episode just hours away, I'm opening up a discussion thread. Feel free to analyze, theorize, criticize, cheer, squee or rant in comments. Until I'm able to see the full episode, I'll be checking in through half covered eyes.

And while everyone anxiously waits the premiere, a couple of interviews to distract you:

Total Sci-Fi Online talks to Jamie specifically about his role in "Outcasts". Only Jamie could somehow weave in references to the Michigan Militia and the Tea Party. ;)

Metor.co.uk talks to Jamie about past and current roles and parts he'd like to play in the future. Interestingly, this is the first time I recall him discussing how his height could lead him to be passed over for work.

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ayajedi From: ayajedi Date: February 7th, 2011 06:45 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

I'm in Trinidad so I have to wait for the blessed internet fairies to shower me with their kindness. Or wait for it to air on BBCA
lemurling From: lemurling Date: February 7th, 2011 07:13 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Rrrrrr. All that talk about being edgy and intimidating... I've always loved him best for the little bits of sarcasm and spite that we see around the edges of his other characters. It will be great to see him playing someone full-on mean and dangerous! I hope the internet fairies are kind to us.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 7th, 2011 07:54 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Only Jamie could somehow weave in references to the Michigan Militia and the Tea Party. ;)

Because he's erudite like dat. ;) (Sorry, I'm still in the second link where he's reading Chomsky on the set of BSG, and BRB DYING.)
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 7th, 2011 09:13 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I thought it was a weird reference. Cannot see any similarity...only he was implying that tea party'ers are all a bit unhinged, since his character in Outcasts certainly is. I wouldn't disagree with that assessment. On the other hand, I do wish Jamie would be more comfortable in his (British) skin and cease attempting all the American references.
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callmeonetrack From: callmeonetrack Date: February 7th, 2011 08:10 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Reading his description of Mitchell in the sci fi mag interview makes me wish again we'd gotten to see Jamie as Rick Grimes maybe.
From: barnes69 Date: February 7th, 2011 09:03 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Jamie's role in Outcasts is a bit confusing. The BBC hosted a special event and introduced the cast but Jamie wasn't included. They confirmed that he had left the show and only appears in Episode 1. People kept asking why he had left. All they would say is that he is no longer with Outcasts and that his character has been discontinued.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 7th, 2011 09:26 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Care to share with us any links/actual info about this "event"? Official Twitter mentions a cast party (which is to be expected), but unsurprising Jamie's not there as he's currently in LA. I'm a bit confused to what you're referring. (Also, FYI, Jamie only having a limited arc on the show was discussed months ago.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: February 7th, 2011 09:11 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

Outcasts, First Episode

Maybe I am too used to Bamber playing Lee Adama on BSG, but I was really unimpressed with his performance in Outcasts. I just watched the entire episode and it was...unremarkable. Then again, it was nice to hear him speaking in his natural accent. He's apparently left Outcasts and I hope his next production plays to his ability. I'd be interested in other people's reactions.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 7th, 2011 09:36 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

Re: Outcasts, First Episode

You just watched the entire episode? Interesting since it's still airing. By the way, Barnes69 (your IP address is showing), canuckyuck, or whatever name you finally decide to go by, this is not the place you want to be looking to create drama that doesn't exist.

My apologies to the fans who have to read this. I'll be cleaning up the thread later.
esmerelda_t From: esmerelda_t Date: February 7th, 2011 10:04 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Show has just finished airing here in Blighty, non spoilery review. Jamie good, show bad.


Slightly spoilery review, Jamie did a good job with a character who was very 'if Lee Adama had promptly gone nuts on Earth' but five minutes in I was rooting for his quick death so I didn't have to watch anymore. The show itself is like Blake's Seven had a love child with Enid Blyton, and I don't mean that as compliment.
From: barnes69 Date: February 7th, 2011 10:07 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I'd argue precisely the opposite. Jamie doesn't do grunge well. The show is a lot like LOST.
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angelicalangie From: angelicalangie Date: February 7th, 2011 10:55 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I continue to be intrigued after the first episode, and there were a lot of beats where I was shouting at the tv or just jaw dropped.

Here there be spoilers.





We all knew and suspected for quite the time that Jamie lasted one episode only. There were plenty of hints given, even with the character synopsis.

I found the show nicely paced, with enough twists - thought his inevitable demise was a given. I expect things to get better with each episode. I will be watching tomorrow - Perhaps there will be flashbacks???
lemurling From: lemurling Date: February 7th, 2011 11:57 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I know I was hoping, from how things were talked about, that his character death would be off screen, allowing for a possible return in a later episode or later series. It's sounding like that isn't the case, but I'll see for myself as soon as I get a chance.

While I enjoy Jamie's work a lot, I'm a general sci-fi fan, and a lot of sci-fi suffers from rough scripts, poor acting, and the general extra overhead of establishing an entire universe in addition to the normal work of a series that is trying to establish a premise and a set of characters. Some would argue that Babylon 5, for example, took over a season to hit its stride, and while BSG hit the ground running with its first episode probably being the single finest episode they ever produced (of course they had the mini-series to help it along, which was also good, but not brilliant), most sci-fi is just not able to do that.

There isn't enough sci-fi on television for me. So I hope that people will give the show a chance to get its legs under it, even without Jamie around to make the wait more pleasurable. It very well might get better as actors settle into their characters and writers settle into their story.
spongetrisha From: spongetrisha Date: February 7th, 2011 10:55 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Having watched the episode I can say Jamie did an amazing job. He can do psychotic really really well.
elzed From: elzed Date: February 7th, 2011 11:16 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Yup - agreed.
elzed From: elzed Date: February 7th, 2011 11:26 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I have to admit I quite liked the show. Yes, it's a bit of a mess and there's lots of stuff packed into it, but there are a couple of interesting strands woven into it (like hints of a terrible, genocidal like event early on in the settlement, and something awful happening to some of the settlers).

I liked the Mitchell Hoban arc, a lot, and the whole expeditionaries vs society builders tension. Hah, it reminded me - not a little - of the military/civilian dilemmas on BSG. Except that there, Mitchell is clearly deluded and fucked up. I thought Jamie was rather good - threatening and messed up and torn apart; also rather absurdly hot. And we got Bamceps!!!

But then he died. Boo.

Seriously though, it was dark and depressing in many respects (not unlike BSG, again, in its willingness to kill a lot of people in the opener - the whole of Earth in backstory for a start, and then most of the people on the transporter...) which I htink is what put a lot of people off. But I liked the grownupedness of it all, the sadness - arg, the bit about the disease that took the kids just about killed me - the seriousness of it all.

So yes, I will continue to watch despite Jamie's demise - even if I am not entirely convinced by the close up of evil smirking Eric Mabius coming in on the shuttle (a bit anvillicious) in the previews, I do want to know what happens next. And, more to the point, what happened before....
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 8th, 2011 12:31 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I was seeing complaints of the episode being exposition heavy and confusion as to what was going on. I hate to make BSG comparisons, but it strikes me that BSG had a similarly large cast, yet four hours to introduce all the characters and establish the plot.

I can't really comment on the rest until I see it. ;) But it's good to know that some people found it intriguing.
ragdoll From: ragdoll Date: February 8th, 2011 02:44 am (UTC) (Link Me)
The internets have been very very good to me. *cough*
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 8th, 2011 03:46 am (UTC) (Link Me)
*cough* *ahem* me too. ;) But thank you darlin'!
kem_viva From: kem_viva Date: February 8th, 2011 05:31 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I just finished watching, I thought Jamie did good (and looked good hehe) but the show on whole was a bit of a mess I thought. Its too bad they killed him because I really liked seeing him in a more let loose roll than on law and order uk, but at least now i don't have to add another show to watch lol.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 8th, 2011 11:27 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Somewhat off topic, but I approve of your taste in actors. ;)
greycoupon From: greycoupon Date: February 8th, 2011 06:58 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Oh, the io9 people got an LJ now?

Yeah for the interwebs. I'll have to acquire this later and watch when I get back from the hospital. Will heavy pain killers enhance the quality or make it worse?

Lee Adama goes crackers sounds like fun and the visual aint bad either.

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zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 8th, 2011 05:30 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Oh, the io9 people got an LJ now?

Ha! Yeaaah. Oh, never mind me... I'll be over here in the corner corpsing. XD

*hi-five*
suzy_74 From: suzy_74 Date: February 8th, 2011 08:32 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I haven't seen it and probably won't but I loved this review. Jamie seemes to have impressed at least. :)

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/reviews/854844-outcasts-is-a-cracking-futuristic-yarn-but-struggles-to-identify-the-good-guy

I really want to see Jamie take the lead in a great movie. Be it action, adventure, drama or comedy. He'd fit the role I'm sure.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 8th, 2011 09:18 am (UTC) (Link Me)

Just business

I may be a cynic, but having worked in media finance I suspect that what the BBC did was use Jamie Bamber to "gain" SciFi viewers and his fanbase from Battlestar. They never viewed him as an "asset" and so he only had a limited ARC role. After the pilot, they brought in the more heavy hitters, i.e. Eric Mabius. This is common practice in Hollywood and the networks do it all the time. Previously, NBC cut every single British actor from its pilots and replaced them with American actors when the series were picked up. The truth is that Eric Mabius costs more per episode than someone like Jamie does for an entire series. Money talks and in the case of Outcasts, a key audience is BBC America. BBC America is part financing this and will want "network" actors to ensure a good return on investment.
pinkylilie From: pinkylilie Date: February 8th, 2011 11:18 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Waouh I just saw the episode and Jamie is just amazing in it, he blown me away!! I didnt think about that about his character, simply amazing, too bad he's only on this episode...
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 8th, 2011 03:38 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

Wow!

Some heated comments here! Feels a bit like CE/FGA.

zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 8th, 2011 06:41 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
So... yeah, that happened. XD To be honest, given the feedback from various sources (a couple of whom I know and trust) I didn't expect to be blown away by the first episode. And as mentioned elsewhere further up in the thread (if you can find it - sorry about the mess, peeps!), word on the street is the show is going to pick up around Episode 3. I won't wait for each ep with bated breath but I'll give it at least a few more episodes to see if that pans out.

As it is right now though? Yeah, having a hard time getting a good read on anyone and a lot of that, to me, feels like the script being structured as to be deliberately cagey about facts and motives. I'm all for shows that withhold vital information in order to sustain suspense and mystery, but just IMO the script here feels a little transparent in that a regard. Fairly confident they're looking to fill in a lot of the gaps in subsequent episodes, but for the time being it is tough to engage in any of the characters when they're painted in such broad strokes. (Should be noted, though, that I do like the overall concept of the show. Yet, part of the reason BSG succeeded in engaging so quickly despite the bleakness overall is because it had four hours up front in rapid succession to flesh out the premise and establish all the characters' relationships.)

As for Jamie? Superb, and a wise choice IMO to take the role that is rather unlike what he is best known for despite the fact that it's a single episode; to be honest, even with him imbuing a lot of energy and charisma into the part and, given the events of the episode, he gets arguably the strongest character arc... there are still a lot of HUGE gaps in the story that may or may not yet be filled, even if he's not actually in the show anymore. How did Mitch go from the brave, adored hero that Cass talks about to the "crazy gun-head" he ended up? Besides the obvious notion that his pride took a hit as Tate's administration continued to render his team's function less relevant... was there something else? IMO at least, there has got to be something else to his telling Fleur just before she shoots him that Tate isn't who she thinks he is; that kind of dialogue rarely gets doled out just prior to a character death if it isn't significant. ;)

There are a LOT of intriguing aspects to his character, some really unsavory and others hinting that in the long picture he may be in the right... I've got to get to a marketing meeting so I'll leave any discussion of what those might be open. For now. ;)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2011 10:38 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
SO in agreement with your thoughts, particularly this:

feels like the script being structured as to be deliberately cagey about facts and motives. I'm all for shows that withhold vital information in order to sustain suspense and mystery, but just IMO the script here feels a little transparent in that a regard.

I think EVERYONE has a secret and, of course, the man who died is the one person that seemed to know them all. Um, OK! It just screams of writers trying way too hard to make the show interesting and not having a lot of faith in the characters or actors to do it on their own.

I brought up the four hour BSG mini last week after reading reviews, tweets and opinions here that too much information was crammed into an hour of TV. 'Outcasts' could have benefited from staggered introductions to the characters and revealing the backstory by degrees rather than having everyone stand around talking and telling us what has happened (sort of since, you know, they ALL HAVE SECRETS!) in a big exposition dump. And to have two characters die in the first episode and have both be the parents of now Poor!Orphan!Linus! seemed excessive.

Up until the burial, I was hoping Mitchell wasn't dead. Not that I have a great desire to see Jamie come back to the show, but, since Mitchell was the one person who could have put many pieces of the puzzle together for the audience, it doesn't make sense he's gone so soon. It's such writing decisions that don't give me a lot of faith as to where this is headed.

And while I, too, think it was a great decision for Jamie to take on a role unlike any he's played before, the series is very similar to BSG, particularly the New Caprica arc, and *I* would be fearful of him getting pigeonholed into, not just one genre, but a specific type of story told within that genre.
elzed From: elzed Date: February 8th, 2011 07:51 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
A propos of nothing at all - there seems to be an awful lot of anonymous bitchy-ish commenting going on on this post. Shame - not what I expect on LJ...
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 8th, 2011 08:13 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Almost all of the anonymous comments are from the same person. I addressed the issue in another post. ;) It shouldn't be an issue going forward.
jamie_girl5 From: jamie_girl5 Date: February 8th, 2011 08:41 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Just finished to watch this episode and Jamie just blow me away....blow me away....just amazing performance....i've never saw him like this...he's so different from his others characters...it's nice to see another part of his acting :-)
the whole episode is about Mitchell and we see through his eyes what happened and i can understand why he's acting this way...(well, the little psycho part can be a bit scary sometimes, lol)
Not sure yet if i'll watch the others episodes...but i just can't pictured Jamie in the whole serie now, i mean, i think everyone noticed some ressemblance with BSG at some point..*roll eyes*...and i can see why he didn't want to be in the whole serie....
I hope the serie will be successfull thought...
The way he acted....with his wife, son, the people he didn't like...just amazing...we already knew that he was a great actor but after seeing him like that...just "waouh"...well done Jamie :-)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2011 10:40 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Not only is 'Outcasts' similar to BSG, it seems to borrow quite a bit from the New Caprica arc. I agree, Jamie made the right decision in playing Mitchell, but it would have been a mistake to stick around too long.
greycoupon From: greycoupon Date: February 13th, 2011 07:49 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Just watched earlier. My, It's like Apollo went insane after the worlds ended, (and started channeling Starbuck in there)

Not really clear how Mitchell goes from heroic leader to crackers separatist. I get it was 10 years and a lot happened...sounds like the hazy references to that virus the children got means they. well, they cast the kids out? Just noted Jamie mentioned in an interview that there was an "act of genocide".

If Mitchell was only going to be there for hour 1, his story needed to gel more. So he was leader of this group who wanted to... move and start a separate colony by a lake? I spent half the ep thinking they were planning on leaving the planet and going elsewhere. Admittedly I follow action poorly and am still medicated. :)

The psych eval confused me. Okay, insubordination, paranoia, seditious leanings, (oh hi Kara)...okay. Multiple personality disorder? Does that mean something else in the UK version of the DSM-IV? Am pretty sure that term has been mostly replaced with Dissociative Personality Disorder here and his other behavior doesn't really point to that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder Something like PTSD, some kind of schitzo or personality disorder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder

Yeah, I play arm chair shrink. Just me, but I thought the twist would be someone else brained Corinna. Guess not since she "betrayed" him and he was going to "euthanize" Linus to save him? Was that the idea? So he wouldnt be a victim of another genocide?

In the non-Jamie parts, the ship arriving was certainly... muddled? That seems like it should be a BFD and it was kinda there,
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2011 10:46 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I think the show is aiming for a mystery as to what happened with the kids, but I easily put together they cast the children out, assumed they all died from the C23 virus, Mitchell learned some lived, they're pissed, and while they looked up to him, they soon could be storming the gates. I also assumed two of them dragged Fleur and Cass from their tent. The only way they could be 'aliens' is if the likely indigenous virus altered them in some way.

Mitchell's plan was to set up a new colony by the lake. It seemed he had support rather than it just being his crazy idea. And I have no idea where 'multiple personality' disorder comes into his behavior. While perhaps irrational, paranoid and violent, he was acting the same throughout the episode.
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