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"Monday Mornings" Discussion: Chapters 33-41
Happy Monday! Yes, I thought I'd open with humor. Welcome to another "Monday Mornings" discussion. Our second to last. Only one more week to go! WOO!

For this weeks discussion (with the co-operation of zegeekgirl :) I thought I'd do something different with the format. Truth be told, this change was brought about by a combination of headache, laziness and feeling as though, if I just shared my thoughts, I'd be repeating the same criticisms. So, beneath the cut is a DM conversation Zegeekgirl and I had about this weeks reading. It's been edited a bit for clarity as well as possible excessive use of exclamation points and emoticons.



Me: I just finished the "Monday Mornings" reading. I cannot wait to be done with the book. On the brightside, I'll be more forgiving of David E Kelly.

Zegeekgirl: I know. It's almost shocking to me how much it feels like a treatment for a series. There is SO much here that could be beefed up into a great show, but it fails on almost every level as a novel. Sorry, Sanjay.

Me: Yes! If you stripped it down it could be a show bible. But as a novel it's a mess. Sketchy characterizations. SO MUCH REPETITION. And the inconsistent POV is driving me nuts. I sometimes have to reread a paragraph because I don't know whose head we're in.

Zegeekgirl: I feel like every scene with Villanueva and his kid is exactly the same. And I want to really like that plotline, I want to "Aww" at it. But it is ALL THE SAME. And Tina's additional backstory this time helped a little, but not really. Still don't know why she's so nasty. On the upside, Ty's visit with sis MUST make it to the screen somewhere eventually. I don't care when. But OMFG. *epicflail*

Me: The chapter in which Villanueva goes on and on about believing his son ls a loser who wouldn't amount to anything disturbed me. And then we find out the kid was considering suicide? Yeah, and Dad has played a part in that. And while I get Ty/Tina a smidge more, she's just so...selfish. And whiny. And I feel no sympathy for her.

Zegeekgirl: Frankly, all of that can stay as long as the show deals with it in the way the book is not. You're a terrible father, Gato. Now you need to REALLY own up to that, not just see your kid in a play and think "Hey, he might really turn out OK." Yes, so far the way SG writes her, the fact that she owns up to being selfish doesn't compensate for how selfish she is. The show can fix that but it's going to need a) great writing and b) Jen to bring her A-game. I am still not familiar with her work so I'm counting on her. ;)

Me: Yeah, if the series portrays him as a terrible father I'm OK with it. But Sanjay either doesn't see it or is avoiding going there. There are surgeons who are great parents, but there are also those that are so self-centered and into their work they are not.

Me: Putting aside Jamie is playing Ty, he's the only character I really get. And maybe Park too.

Zegeekgirl: And Sydney! I love Sydney!

Zegeekgirl: I'm not going to go there yet, because TOO EARLY, but at this rate I might start shipping Ty/Sydney. XD


So, what do you all want to add to the conversation? I'd like to add one more thing: Is Michelle heading back to Louisiana? Not only was there a POV issue in the writing, we only get to see the ramifications of her losing her job - her life - through Tina's eyes. As I said last week, Michelle only seems to pop up when she's needed to show us something about another character.

Also, I must confess, I've started skimming a bit. Especially when there is a paragraph that retreads information for the second, third, FOURTH time and that information is to tell us just how awesome these surgeons are. They are the best in their field! THEY SAVE LIVES! Blah, blah, blah. I get it already. REALLY.


Keeping with the ripped from the headlines taken from Twitter theme of this post, I tweeted this on Friday:

@jamiebambernews: Deadline Pilot Update: TNT screening pilots next week, #ChelseaGeneral continues to be hot & likely for series order - Deadline Link.

And Kerry shared this on Saturday:

@ImKerryNorton: @JamieBamberNews And rumour has it that a certain someone is brilliant in it and this could be a breakout role :)

Keep thinking those good thoughts, everyone!

Finally, IMDB now has Chelsea General renamed Monday Morning. While I prefer MM as a title (it's less generic), I always take IMDB updates with a very large grain of salt. Especially when they list MM as a TV movie. We'll wait for a more official announcement from TNT (or Kerry ;), before we start editing anything around here.


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zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 30th, 2012 05:34 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Somehow reading the discussion back makes us read bitchier than I think we actually are. :P I think we're more frustrated than anything by the fact that we are seeing a lot of potential but feel that the book doesn't stick the landing on all of these things. It should probably be stressed that for a dude who's never written a book before juggling two other full time jobs (one of which is neurosurgery) writing this on planes going two and fro from god knows where, the fact that the book exists at all is a miracle. ;) It does have a lot of flaws, though.

I don't know if I mentioned this at all before, but despite personally being unfamiliar with Jen Finnigan's work, I consulted a pal of mine who was a big Bold & the Beautiful fan - who first gave me the "wait, which Bridget? There have been MANY", to which I replied "I don't watch the show! I know she won Emmys." And then I received "Oh, you're fine. She's the GOOD one!" back, LOL. So I remain confident she can make something out of Tina, provided the writers are stronger with her motivations than what's presented here.

I can't even begin with the Kerry tweet. The fact that she just chucked that out there unsolicited in response to our tweeting the Deadline link! WOMAN. WHY SO AWESOME? :D

I think listing pilots as a TV movie before they are officially picked up is IMDb standard practice, but it would be nice to have an independent confirmation. As I was discussing with dramaturgca last night though - even a rumor of yet another title change, even a reversal, can only be seen as a positive sign, right? Why bother to change the title at this point if they weren't keen on getting it on the air?

*all available appendages still crossed*
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: May 1st, 2012 03:31 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Crap! - I hit send and scurried back to work after my break because I had to leave early today (root canal - urgh, don't ask!)... and I realized I left out the most IMPORTANT part of my comments...

I never followed up with you about Park! I DID love Chapter 41, and I do think SG has done a pretty great job comprehensively of transforming Park's character and make it feel authentic. The additional bits in the chapter about medical advances and the damage that things like chemo can do, while a little bit more instructive than I'd like, ultimately impacted that ending tremendously. I almost feel like we would be as repetitive as anything in the book to keep hammering home certain observations about the book vs. the potential series, but it really does feel like they could get multiple seasons' worth of character development out of this one storyline for Park.
spongetrisha From: spongetrisha Date: April 30th, 2012 08:19 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Uncle Ty!! That whole part with his sister just has to be filmed at some point and he seriously needs a sleep over with his nieces (is it wrong that I want to fanfic this already??)
It did annoy me that one phone call from Tina and he goes running - wtf?

I've got everything crossed that it does go to series, it's all sounding very positive at the moment.

I'd just like to add Kerry Norton you are one awesome woman throwing us a titbit like that.
Stephanie Wilke From: Stephanie Wilke Date: May 1st, 2012 03:48 am (UTC) (Link Me)

people who could play his relatives

I think a good person to play his sister, would be his real sister. And nieces could be played one of his daughters if they wanted too.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: May 2nd, 2012 10:28 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I got confused and thought we were done with the book so I didn't re-read. Then when this post went up, I realized I needed to refresh my memory so I'd know when to stop.

Honestly, I don't feel like a whole heck of a lot happened in these 8 chapters. There was Ty visiting his sister, which was nice, but a little "eh" in my opinion. Why couldn't that conversation have happened on the phone? (I do love the cut tag text about buying last minute tickets.)

I was talking with someone else about the book and I said how it's funny how no one really likes Tina, she kinda reminds me of Lee Adama. She's so focused on doing what's "right" in things like Michelle. She's good at her job but her plans to do better in her personal life don't really happen. She plays it fast and loose with marriage vows. She followed in the family business (and her brother just wasn't cut out for it). She longs for the kinder, gentler type of medicine where all technology has been flown into the sun. Or something.

Pat Park might be the sweetest thing EVAH. Their Italian dinner date was uplifting and heart breaking all in one. I like the subtle clues that she's really all that Sung is and more. She's just as smart, her Italian is better, and she works just as hard as he does. But she has a total supporting role in the marriage.

I think Villanueva is a crap father but I understood what he was feeling about the play. I think adolescents (maybe especially males) are just in a constant state of borderline emo. Anytime they snap out of that and really put some effort into something, it gives hope for their future. Especially for a dad like George who isn't around much and never really seems to have formed any type of bond with his child I can see this being an eye opening and exciting moment for him as a parent.

Hooten just hasn't grabbed me. He just seems like a bit of a blank canvass besides the "bow ties are cool" thing he has going.
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