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"Perception" 1x02: Discussion Thread
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Sooo it's our first discussion thread for Jamie's Perception guest arc. It will be a bit of a wait (about a month, boooo!) until his second ep, so enjoy it and pitch in, folks! (Then again, maybe best that we are pacing it a little; after these eps no new nothing until Monday Mornings hits, hopefully in winter and not next summer. Unless we get a pleasant surprise on the John Doe front...)

Enough prognosticatin', though - come back and discuss episode 1x02,"Faces" after the show tonight! (Will post a screen cap to spruce this post up once we have some...)  Caps now posted! (See above. HELLO NAVY JUMPER, YOU'RE QUITE NICE AREN'T YOU? ;)  More after the cut...


I will be back with thoughts in comments tomorrow - I have LOADS (both pos and neg... the A plot of this one bored me to tears, darn it) - but in the meantime, here are more caps...

Also, I require a GIF of the stammery-twitch-flinch thing Jamie did when Daniel insults Hathaway's book. Because COMEDY. I had to roll that back twice, I laughed so hard. So, someone get on that please? Grazie. ;)  SOMEONE DID. OK, it's in black and white, but I'll take what I can get...


WHAT is your FACE, Bamber?! *dying* ♥

Right, screencaps...

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EDIT (7/18) There is now video up with Eric McCormack discussing Jamie's character and more about the episode...

    

Also, in case anyone is familiar with Eric's character from his Will & Grace days... well this made me laugh, I'll just leave this right here. ;) ...


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Leah1069 From: Leah1069 Date: July 17th, 2012 12:40 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Ahhh, come on! We gotta wait a friggin' month? I hate waiting. I mean I REALLY hate waiting!!!
charlsie_esq From: charlsie_esq Date: July 17th, 2012 04:30 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Jamie was a breath of fresh air in a super-complicated episode. I was so happy to hear his accent!
jsjbg From: jsjbg Date: July 17th, 2012 10:49 am (UTC) (Link Me)
First and foremost YAY for some Jamie screen time. Unfortunately, just not enough Dr. Hathaway.

As for the episode.. a little blah. As soon as we saw the housekeeper I knew it was Olena. The series concept has potential, but it hasn't quite clicked yet for me. I think Eric Mccormack is actually doing a nice job. Rachel Leigh Cook on the other hand..her delivery just seems so bland. Most of her lines just seem delivered with the same emotion, or lack there of. I'm not buying her as the tough, clever FBI agent. Jamie gave us more facial expression and body language in his brief stint than she did the entire episode. Part of it is the writing for her. Her character jumps to conclusions. she arrests the guy in the band because he has a blue camero like the one seen outside the house. She accuses the real Jolene of having an affair with Frank. Really? Everything about the character seems flat.

Hope to eventually see Dr. Hathaway in the classroom. I would sign up for his class.

But..kudos to TNT, my new favorite network, for finding characters with a Dr. in front of their names for Jamie to play.

But please increase your wig budget if you are going to continue having characters wear them. The wigs were pretty awful in this episode.

Edited at 2012-07-17 10:53 am (UTC)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 17th, 2012 01:45 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I can buy Rachel as clever, but when she was required to e tough and a bad ass....um, no. It's not just because of her size (I'm petite and I've been known to intimidate people ;), it's just she's lacking something that would make me believe anyone would find her threatening.

The wigs were pretty awful in this episode.

OMG, YES! I kept thinking, even for a guy who was face blind, he'd still be able to spot the bad wigs!
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asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 18th, 2012 12:30 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Yeah, when she was interrogating the pimp/thug/suspected murderer and he was giving her nothing I could totally understand why.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 03:26 am (UTC) (Link Me)
she's lacking something that would make me believe anyone would find her threatening.

I agree, and I do actually rather like RLC. There is something both in her performance and, I'm sorry to say, the way she's been written so far in the context of the relationship with Daniel that hasn't allowed her to really be a strong counterpoint to him that she needs to be for the show to work IMO. Sometimes she's great - I loved her diving off the fire escape and cuffing a perp in the pilot - but other times it's like she's an entirely different character. :/
anamarya From: anamarya Date: July 18th, 2012 11:19 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I'm there with you about basically everything that you said, even if just like Asta I can see Rachel's character as inteligent (clever i think is the word that you used) but tough on the other hand.... nop.

I sort of ended up comparing her with Marsha Thomason's character in White Collar. There is not such a big difference in age between the two (a couple of years in RL and possibly none in the scripts) but I have no problem in seeing Diana as not only tough but bad ass.

Hope to eventually see Dr. Hathaway in the classroom. I would sign up for his class.

Me too.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 18th, 2012 12:33 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I was going to say Marsha was even a bad ass when she was on 'Las Vegas' and not playing a Fed. Then I remembered RLC was on that too. And then I realized my mind was going completely OT. ;p
asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 17th, 2012 01:35 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
There may have been a bit of a squee emanating from me when I heard Dr Hathaway's British accent. Eric had mentioned in an interview Jamie was playing a visiting professor, so I had hoped that meant from across the pond. It's not quite Jamie's natural accent, but a slightly more pronounced and snobby(?) accent. Probably one Jamie felt befitting an over-educated, slightly (at least) full of himself professor and successful author/self help sage to the stars. ;)

Actually, his accent reminded me of someone else's. When he informed Kate it was her last chance to buy him a drink, I went, "Gaius Baltar!" Call me crazy, but didn't he sound (and remind you of) James playing Gaius? Or maybe James was just imprinted on me from seeing him earlier in the evening.

Even though Jamie's time was too brief, I very much appreciated getting to see him play yet another type of character. I wouldn't call Hathaway an asshole, but with his, "Maybe you can buy me a real drink. Seven is good for me", and expecting Kate to take him up on his generous offer, he immediately struck me as egotistical and full of himself. Then again, it's probably born of A LOT of woman taking him up on the offer because he looks like Jamie Bamber. ;)

However, Daniel's "She took that asshole?!" made me LOL. Maybe it's too soon, but I'm not feeling Daniel/Kate AT ALL and it seems the show is telling us that Daniel has an interest in Kate, though she's at least oblivious at the moment.

As for the plot, I was not impressed. I felt the pilot was MUCH stronger in that area. The murder mystery in this episode took too many twists and turns until it became ridiculous. And I knew as soon as e saw the maid she was actually the wife. If I could figure it out so fast how could an FBI agent and supposed genius not?

Also, the hallucinations were far less successful in that they were far more obvious manifestations of his subconscious reasoning.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: July 17th, 2012 02:39 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
James was just imprinted on me from seeing him earlier in the evening

You didn't happen to be watching Eureka, did you?

The word that came to my mind for Dr. Hathaway was smarmy. That isn't a bad description for Baltar either.

the maid she was actually the wife

I thought that might be but I actually have mild propopagnosia so I figured I was off, as I often am.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 17th, 2012 02:53 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
You didn't happen to be watching Eureka, did you?

I was. :) Though, I think James forgot what accent he did when he was first on because he sounded different. In fairness, it has been awhile and they were scrambling to make the episode.

Smarmy might work too. ;) A saving grace for Hathaway is when Kate turned him down for the second time he did walk away. There's a fine line between persistent and pushy and he didn't cross it.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: July 17th, 2012 07:17 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Yes, I think it was a different accent but I *really* hated Dr. Grant's accent when he was on before so I was ok with it. All those Eureka eps just made me think of how great Jamie is at doing numerous accents. Not everyone can pull it off.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 03:56 am (UTC) (Link Me)
A saving grace for Hathaway is when Kate turned him down for the second time he did walk away. There's a fine line between persistent and pushy and he didn't cross it.

Another thing you and I already discussed (I was busy at work, I didn't have time to actually comment! ;) )... but while I appreciate that he backed off in that moment, I don't think it was quite enough overall. Still feel like the show is playing him far too obviously caddish up-front, I would love it if the show played with our expectations a little bit. Part of what was so great about Martin Klar in Dollhouse was that he started off quite dreamy before his evil whack-job side was revealed.
charlsie_esq From: charlsie_esq Date: July 17th, 2012 03:29 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I did the same squee when I heard the accent. Actually, it was more like, "Thank you Jesus!" I really love Jamie's natural speaking voice and it has bothered me that having him on tv more will mean hearing his real voice less. I thought it was his voice though. I am tempted to re-watch his Dollhouse episode to see if it was that one, maybe that's what I'm thinking of.

I thought the same thing about the "Seven is good for me." comment. Someone who looks like that is probably not accustomed to a woman saying, thanks but no thanks. Then after the professional-introduction scene, I immediately thought, ah this is the triangle. It'll be interesting to see how that develops.

Now that I've slept on it though, I get what bugs me about Rachel Cook: I think she's too young for the role. Maybe she's age appropriate but she lacks some depth that I expect from my tv-FBI agents. Maybe it's because I am addicted to Criminal Minds, I am just used to women (short or tall) who project strength (Like Kathryn Morris in Cold Case). These women are supposed to have come through a program where the women have to prove themselves on top of all the other work. Rachel reminds me more of "roving reporter"-type. And she's too young for Eric's character. I just don't like it. I thought she looked adorable with Jamie, but I find I prefer the scenes that she is not in.

I agree the pilot was better, the plot just got too convoluted and the wigs were just terrible. This episode had problems, no doubt but the hallucinations are my biggest gripe. They have to do something more when it comes to his hallucinations. He should be more horrified, frightened, something more than just frozen. The hallucinations felt more like ghosts and I felt let down.

Last point: Love the blue jumper and am I the only one who thought he looks like Robert Redford in his first scene?
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: July 17th, 2012 07:11 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
am I the only one who thought he looks like Robert Redford in his first scene

No! You aren't the only one. We were discussing it when the stills for the ep came out.

I like the sweater too but I had to sort of laugh that he dressed like that for a baseball game.

zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 04:02 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Hee, thanks for linking back to the Redford chat. *le sigh*

About the baseball game, that's one of the few bits that did make total logical sense though - if he didn't know if he'd be staying in Chicago much longer, he may not have packed too many casual clothex. XD </ trainspotter>
anamarya From: anamarya Date: July 18th, 2012 11:26 am (UTC) (Link Me)
About the baseball game, that's one of the few bits that did make total logical sense though - if he didn't know if he'd be staying in Chicago much longer, he may not have packed too many casual clothex. XD

oh yes. if he came just to meet with the Dean and Daniel and maybe a couple of more profs he would have packed just clothes for the university and nothing for the stadium or something like that.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: July 18th, 2012 01:15 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Oh, it was totally logical and I understood why it happened. But it was still funny!
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 04:00 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Re: Rachel's age appropriateness - she's not much younger than a lot of other actresses he's played opposite, but she does have a very young face. Part of me is always inclined to argue in favor of baby-faced actors simply because I feel for them, and I am sure it's hard for them to keep from playing younger roles in perpetuity; for every one Michael J. Fox for whom at some point they are big enough stars that that's no longer an issue, there are many others that struggle with it. That said, I do think so far she hasn't quite grabbed the toughness we're meant to believe in Kate by the horns, but I think the writing is all over the place; sometimes she's a little too spunky when she ought to be more commanding. *shrug*
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 04:18 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Oh, and about Dollhouse - yes, that is probably the closest in any of the past few years' roles (guest or otherwise) to his actual accent. ;) )
asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 18th, 2012 12:42 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I think in actual years, RLC's casting is fine. And she comes off as intelligent and dedicated and I could see her advancing quickly in the FBI. But maybe she isn't conveying the experience Kate would have in her performance? There's something missing there.
charlsie_esq From: charlsie_esq Date: July 18th, 2012 01:20 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Before this thread, I hadn't considered that there was a tough female FBI-agent "stock character." I guess I've just mindlessly embraced them for not being silly girls. And what you said about Marsha Thompson - exactly! I can see RLC's age isn't really the issue, it's a combination of her performance and the writing of her character so far. Maisie Williams is a baby, but phenomenal on Game of Thrones (she also has amazing scripts to work with, lucky girl!).

They are doing Korsakoff's syndrome next week. I went to college with someone who had it, so I'm hoping for better on all fronts and going to have wait patiently (I hate doing that) for Jamie's next episode!

Edited at 2012-07-18 01:21 pm (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 03:51 am (UTC) (Link Me)
When he informed Kate it was her last chance to buy him a drink, I went, "Gaius Baltar!" Call me crazy, but didn't he sound (and remind you of) James playing Gaius?

You and I already discussed this, but for the public record YES. ;) I actually thought this BEFORE that (like, try his first scene), and yes I also watched Eureka but between James' iffy Yank accent in that and that fact that multiple comments have pointed out the same thing, I don't think prior Eureka exposure on the night is the reason. And now someone has to ask Jamie at some point "Dude... Baltar impression, yeah?" ;) (If it wasn't intentional... maybe it was subconscious. Mwahahaha.)

Maybe it's too soon, but I'm not feeling Daniel/Kate AT ALL and it seems the show is telling us that Daniel has an interest in Kate, though she's at least oblivious at the moment.

Yeah, not sure how fond I am of that possibility at all, but I hear you. Given the fact that Kate used to be his student and the way he reacted to busty flirty co-ed in the pilot (that plotline was ridiculous and full of ugh, BTW), for him to be attracted to Kate in any way doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But frankly, there are multiple elements of the show so far that are all over the place. It's also problematic w/ regard to, IMO, the muddled way in which the show treats Daniel's schizophrenia to be using it as a possible crutch for some relationship with Kate he's longing for, meanwhile she will be dating his arseholey-yet-handsome and not mentally unstable doppleganger.

BTW, I should probably point out here that though I (and probably most of us) were hoping for a cute/kind/utterly fanciable with no strings attached character (maybe with glasses OK FINE, I'LL SHUT UP ABOUT THAT NOW, jeeez ;) ), I'm actually fine with Hathaway being kind of a douche in principle. Jamie should play as wide an array of characters as possible because someone as talented as he is deserves the chance to show off a bit of range...

...THAT SAID. ;) The fact that Hathaway comes off so smarmy right out of the gate kind of doesn't work for me. If he were a jerk for the length of one episode, that's another thing, but this is an ongoing arc; wouldn't it make more sense for his jerkiness to be more implied and/or something that Daniel is possibly perceiving because of the content of his books, yet everyone else finds him charming? He's really not terribly charming at all, he's condescending and egotistical and the episode doesn't give us a real reason for Kate to reconsider going out with him AT ALL other than, well... look at him. ;) There should have been a moment where he says or does something in that scene in the hallway that gives her a reason to doubt her first impression of him. But there isn't - she walks away FIRST, and without any real impetus other than she's got these damn baseball tickets in her hand, she changes her mind. Uhhh... :/
anamarya From: anamarya Date: July 18th, 2012 11:30 am (UTC) (Link Me)
BTW, I should probably point out here that though I (and probably most of us) were hoping for a cute/kind/utterly fanciable with no strings attached character (maybe with glasses OK FINE, I'LL SHUT UP ABOUT THAT NOW, jeeez ;) ), I'm actually fine with Hathaway being kind of a douche in principle. Jamie should play as wide an array of characters as possible because someone as talented as he is deserves the chance to show off a bit of range...

what you said.....
anamarya From: anamarya Date: July 18th, 2012 11:23 am (UTC) (Link Me)
When he informed Kate it was her last chance to buy him a drink, I went, "Gaius Baltar!"

Thank you - I thought that I was crazy. Or like you say below - under the influence of the scenes that Callis had in Eureka's finale.

he immediately struck me as egotistical and full of himself.

yes to this. and sort of a "normal" behavior from somebody in his position - i know a couple of very successful profs who act in the same way without looking that good and without being bad guys. They're just very self-absorbed.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 04:08 am (UTC) (Link Me)
One more comment I'm going to leave right here that doesn't pertain to any of the threads I've already chucked my thoughts into ;) ....

asta77 and myself noticed quite a bit of evidence that this episode was originally intended to air later in the season, probably closer to Jamie's other two eps, but was moved up for some reason. For one thing, it was apparently not on the screeners that were sent out to critics; if it was not originally the second episode, that would make sense as they probably wouldn't have had time to pre-do the screeners before sending them out, depending on when the decision was made. Also, creator Mike Sussman was tweeting with LeVar Burton, and LeVar's comments seemed to indicate he had no idea he was in last night's episode... maybe because he was expecting it to air later? DON'T KNOW! ;)

Anyway, the point of all this speculation is that I'm trying to figure out what aspect of the episode might have made it seem like they needed to move it up... and I really can't. Any ideas? Anyone?
dramaturgca From: dramaturgca Date: July 18th, 2012 05:52 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Jamie? Maybe because they're going to move up Monday Mornings, so they're going to start introducing their audiences to their new superstar.

New favourite theory.

I don't have a lot of thoughts about the Jamie plot, but the show itself bothers me on a lot of levels. Doubt that I'll be watching anything but the Jamie eps.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 18th, 2012 12:45 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
And the ratings were up for this episode. I'm crediting Jamie. ;)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 06:47 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
You wouldn't have to twist my arm too hard to accept that theory. ;)
Physha1 From: Physha1 Date: July 18th, 2012 02:33 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Ugh! You can't stream TNT shows unless you have a cable subscription. Hey! If I had cable, I would have watched it LIVE! Hopefully our friend will post Jamie's scenes on Daily Motion soon. From what I've read here, the entire episode doesn't seem too watchable anyway.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 18th, 2012 02:47 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I don't think he posts to Daily Motion any longer due to copyright infringement issues (I noticed a Longmire ep was pulled). Jamie's Perception scenes are at his Vimeo account.
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Physha1 From: Physha1 Date: July 18th, 2012 08:24 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Thank you!
shoelesslucy From: shoelesslucy Date: July 18th, 2012 10:15 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I liked it more than I thought I would. My expectations were pretty low after reading mixed reviews but I found both Eric and Rachael quite likeable. I get what you're all saying about RLC not pulling off the tough attitude but I did kinda find her very engaging. Maybe they should have her be more the clever, instinctive detective than the threatening kind.

Jamie's really working his comedic chops and he's really good at it! (Also love Eric for that tweet, seems like Jamie left quite the impression!
anamarya From: anamarya Date: July 19th, 2012 07:47 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
EDIT (7/18) There is now video up with Eric McCormack discussing Jamie's character and more about the episode...


if there is a merciful soul out there can you please write in couple of words what is Eric saying in that video? (it's blocked for some of us)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 20th, 2012 05:29 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Basically he notes that Hathaway is the exact opposite of what Daniel represents which is why it galls him that Kate is now dating him, although why it would gall him (whether it's protective teacher/student feelings, or SOMETHING MORE) is something he's deliberately coy about. Which says to me that maybe the show hasn't quite figured that out yet either. Somebody ask Sussman. ;)
anamarya From: anamarya Date: July 25th, 2012 11:00 am (UTC) (Link Me)
thank you
Angel47Disney From: Angel47Disney Date: August 20th, 2016 02:58 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

JAMIE BAMBER!

OMG BRITISH ACCENT! CATCHING THAT BASEBALL! HE'S PERFECT! HE'S ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!
He is the reason I'll watch this episode! I love his accent and his smile and his charm. Especially his charm. When I heard his British accent in it, I was like "Okay I'm in love." And then he caught the baseball I was like "Marry me!" LOL XD!
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