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Jamie Bamber News - 'The Smoke': Episode 3 SPOILER Discussion Thread
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'The Smoke': Episode 3 SPOILER Discussion Thread

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Apologies for the delay!  But today was a monster. Up and on the computer working at 6:30.... mental. But enough of my 5-alarm fires! What the HELL have White Watch gotten up to THIS week?!  Spoilers below, please, and lots of them... let's hear your thoughts! DISCUSS!



josieb1 From: josieb1 Date: March 7th, 2014 10:20 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I actually didn't like the episode much as I hate cage fighting but I couldn't believe Mal told Kev! What a bastard. I thought Kev handled it perfectly though, a mixture of distain, and pride masking the hurt we could see in his eyes. Interesting the Gog is seeking out Kev. Bad times ahead all round on that front I think.
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: March 8th, 2014 12:41 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Thought that was a really powerful episode, excruciating to watch in places, but very powerful.

Loved the scene with Kev, Mal and Trish at the fight, that was devastating, and Kev and Trish alone together at the end. I still think that for all their flaws they have a very believable relationship, and they clearly care about each other a great deal.

I think the stand out scene though was the one with Kev, Dennis, and his mother in the flat, that was brilliant. Taron Egarton absolutely stole that scene.

If I have a minor criticism it's that I can't help thinking that LK overdoes the hypermasculinity sometimes. Also it got a bit too frenetic in places perhaps. To my mind it was the quieter scenes that had the greatest impact, but perhaps that's by virtue of contrast.

PS Ziggy is still awesome and Mal is still an arse.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 8th, 2014 04:23 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Loved the scene with Kev, Mal and Trish at the fight, that was devastating,

It really was, and as there was that beat where the camera focused on Kev's eyes and the realization sinking in I was *not* expecting him to deflect like that. Jamie nailed that moment so well that for a hot minute I was convinced Trish *had* told him! But then the gut punch came. Oof.

If I have a minor criticism it's that I can't help thinking that LK overdoes the hypermasculinity sometimes. Also it got a bit too frenetic in places perhaps.

Yeah and the setting of the flashback scenes in this ep amplified that to the Nth degree, but that's probably not entirely surprising. It's two dudes kicking, punching and biting (ow) ten shades of shit out of each other; that energy's gonna invade the room. It does feel like LK is on somewhat unfamiliar territory at times, the choices she makes are always interesting though.

And I have to give full marks to Kev butting a dude twice his size in the face because... COME ON. (The best part of that was that he played it like something Kev has plenty of practice with, probably going back to getting in fights at school, so he kind of did it without hesitation. And yet that look on his face of "God DAMMIT, I forgot how much that hurts." *chortle* A+, Bamber.)

Edited at 2014-03-08 05:20 am (UTC)
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: March 8th, 2014 09:02 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Jamie nailed that moment so well that for a hot minute I was convinced Trish *had* told him!
Yes, me too! Painful when the realisation dawned.

that look on his face of "God DAMMIT, I forgot how much that hurts."
Heh, yes, that was very well done :)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 8th, 2014 04:05 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Okay, forgive me if this week I'm going to start from the end and work my way backward. ;)

Absolutely loved, loved, LOVED the scene with Kev at Asbo's flat. As much for what it begins to peel away from what the hell is going on exactly at Churchill Estate as for both Jamie and Taron Egerton being just utterly brilliant in their performances. Kev's nervous laughter when he realizes (albeit falsely) that Asbo's got an alibi, Asbo breaking down after his mum scolds him. Boooooyyyyys. *sniffle* Oh, and by the way... ASBO'S MUM, wot?! Beautiful work there from Sophie Stanton. She's shot straight up my list of favorite characters.

Side note: Sadly we have a confirmation that the baby Kev tried to rescue died. But it really made sense to wait to confirm that until now, as it's an emotional grace note both in that scene with Kev as well as Asbo confronting Gog at the club. (More about HIM in a bit...)

Loved pretty much all of Little Al's stuff this time out; starting to prove his mettle and developing some interesting dimensions. It's in his plotline that I think LK's explorations of masculine behavior is most successful in this ep; on the one hand, you've got Kev as a sort of pseudo father figure, whose approval Little Al is just longing for even though he acts pissy about it. (No accident it's Kev whose cheers he hears loudest when he's trying to get up off the mat; meanwhile, Asbo seems to also view Kev in a kind of paternal light. And we still don't know what the deal is with *his* actual father...) Yet on the other, you've got Little Al still floundering in his own efforts as a father; his heart's in the right place, even when he can't bring himself to be crooked. And he isn't really thinking about the full picture when he turns up to see his boy with a bashed up face and just scares the poor kid. But he's tryin', he's tryin' his best. And he did come through on that tower, dammit. :)

The show's definitely starting to jump time a little bit, it feels like at least a couple weeks have passed since ep. 2. There's absolutely no way I could see Mal confessing a few days later, but if he had a fortnight or so for it to sit on him and he was pissed enough. Speaking of Mal: "I don't know what's wrong with me...": interesting, if brief, moment of clarity there. You know what would be a really smart, pointed development? If Mal actually realized what's "wrong" with him is he's a sex addict. I mean, that IS what he is, no?! And you can get help for that, buddy, just like any other addiction.

Related note: Julia (Trish's sister) isn't working for me the way she should. I'm fine with her being pushy and sexually aggressive (there are plenty of male horndogs on TV, why not a woman for a change?), and it's nothing to do with Sinead Matthews, who is fine. She still feels, to me anyway, too much of a broad caricature and part of that (at least in this ep) might be down to how much her actions mostly move other characters along *their* progression. When she takes over a scene, it felt a bit of a shoehorn. If there's a truth there, it's that plenty of people have train wrecks who give shitty advice for siblings but they're still family. ("It's not like he's going to leave you in his state, anyway" - oh shit off, Sissy! And now she's for keeping secrets when last episode it was OMFG, you have to tell him?)

Oh, ziggity zig zig Ziggy. "Nice work, Germaine Greer." *snort* QUEEN. Queen of White Watch. Pippa's just great and the dynamic she has with the rest of the watch is unlike a lot else I've seen on telly which is part of why I'm loving her so much; she is 100% one of them, except when she's not. If it were any of the others who had caught onto Mal/Trish early on... hang on, no none of them would have. That's the point. Stoooopid lads. ;)

zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 8th, 2014 04:06 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Another thing that really didn't work for me this week: The big damn point being made of Kev doubting Trish's sincerity by the way the bride at the accident scene behaves felt way, way too broad. Just one instance of "knowing look" on Jamie's face would have gotten that across fine. It also didn't need to happen a third time with Trish in the break room at the station when the rescue's on TV. (Keep the "every housewife in London's in love with you" line, that was good. ;) ) What I did like in that end scene, BTW, was that there was no attempt made for Trish to try to explain herself or for Kev to demand to know what the hell she was thinking. That's beside the point now; it only really matters what each of them decides their next move will be, and if their love is strong enough to get through this. They know it's strong enough to get past the physical damage that Kev endured.

So back to Gog... JESUS. UGH. Cold dead eyes of a psycho 101, and Sam Gittins is really good. I guess now that it's pretty apparent that Asbo is struggling to make penance for his involvement in the baby's death and Kev's injuries, the burden of mystery now shifts to exactly what Gog is doing - or more importantly, has done - to seemingly make EVERYONE in that council estate so terrified of him. That *has* to pay off. I mean, there seem to be a fair amount of tough yobs running around Churchill, logic would presume that a bunch of them banding together could defend themselves against just one baby-faced lunatic. Curiouser and curiouser...

Edited at 2014-03-08 05:35 am (UTC)
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: March 8th, 2014 09:19 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Have to agree about Julia. She's clearly there for a purpose but she's such a caricature that her presence seems quite jarring.

Beautiful work there from Sophie Stanton.
Absolutely! It's impossible not to sympathise with her even though she's desperately conflicted and clearly lying.

Also, what happened to the weird psychologist?! I'd completely forgotten about her!

zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 15th, 2014 08:36 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Also, what happened to the weird psychologist?! I'd completely forgotten about her!

Coming back to comment on this because it's now week FOUR and we haven't had a return engagement with Ms. Pynchon yet. Given how Ep. 4 ended, I wonder if the game plan is for Kev to descend to a very dark place before he clambers back up and realizes, "yeah, maybe you *do* need to chat with that psych once in a while."
ayajedi From: ayajedi Date: March 8th, 2014 01:26 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I must keep a look out for this
aurora1888 From: aurora1888 Date: March 9th, 2014 07:33 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I enjoyed this weeks episode and a definite change of pace.

I have to confess I love little Al, he's trying to the do the right thing by his wee boy God bless him and that scene at the end with his boy *gaahh*

Frak me White Watch are hard as nails and Kev, with the that headbutt.

Mal is a total Arse - WTF why tell Kev about him and Trish in public like I say prize assclown. He's bitten off more than he can chew with Trish's sister though, she's a bunny boiler.

Gog is a menace the way he's deliberately seeking out Kev oh Asbo you are in a boatload of trouble here boy. That's all going to end in tears.

The whole scene with Asbo and Kev in the flat was right on the money, I started to think that Kev was on to him but then the relief on his face at the end when he bought the cover story.

Anyway enough of my rantings, is it Thursday yet.
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