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"Outcasts" Open Discussion Thread

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The long wait is over! Outcasts premieres tonight at 9:00pm on BBC One. Many of you will be able to watch live. Some of us will need to wait for the internet fairies to work their magic. ;) That may be tonight, it may be tomorrow night, but it doesn't seem fair discussion be held up for those woefully waiting. So with the first episode just hours away, I'm opening up a discussion thread. Feel free to analyze, theorize, criticize, cheer, squee or rant in comments. Until I'm able to see the full episode, I'll be checking in through half covered eyes.

And while everyone anxiously waits the premiere, a couple of interviews to distract you:

Total Sci-Fi Online talks to Jamie specifically about his role in "Outcasts". Only Jamie could somehow weave in references to the Michigan Militia and the Tea Party. ;)

Metor.co.uk talks to Jamie about past and current roles and parts he'd like to play in the future. Interestingly, this is the first time I recall him discussing how his height could lead him to be passed over for work.

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ayajedi From: ayajedi Date: February 7th, 2011 06:45 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

I'm in Trinidad so I have to wait for the blessed internet fairies to shower me with their kindness. Or wait for it to air on BBCA
lemurling From: lemurling Date: February 7th, 2011 07:13 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Rrrrrr. All that talk about being edgy and intimidating... I've always loved him best for the little bits of sarcasm and spite that we see around the edges of his other characters. It will be great to see him playing someone full-on mean and dangerous! I hope the internet fairies are kind to us.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 7th, 2011 07:54 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Only Jamie could somehow weave in references to the Michigan Militia and the Tea Party. ;)

Because he's erudite like dat. ;) (Sorry, I'm still in the second link where he's reading Chomsky on the set of BSG, and BRB DYING.)
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 7th, 2011 09:13 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I thought it was a weird reference. Cannot see any similarity...only he was implying that tea party'ers are all a bit unhinged, since his character in Outcasts certainly is. I wouldn't disagree with that assessment. On the other hand, I do wish Jamie would be more comfortable in his (British) skin and cease attempting all the American references.
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callmeonetrack From: callmeonetrack Date: February 7th, 2011 08:10 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Reading his description of Mitchell in the sci fi mag interview makes me wish again we'd gotten to see Jamie as Rick Grimes maybe.
From: barnes69 Date: February 7th, 2011 09:03 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Jamie's role in Outcasts is a bit confusing. The BBC hosted a special event and introduced the cast but Jamie wasn't included. They confirmed that he had left the show and only appears in Episode 1. People kept asking why he had left. All they would say is that he is no longer with Outcasts and that his character has been discontinued.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 7th, 2011 09:26 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Care to share with us any links/actual info about this "event"? Official Twitter mentions a cast party (which is to be expected), but unsurprising Jamie's not there as he's currently in LA. I'm a bit confused to what you're referring. (Also, FYI, Jamie only having a limited arc on the show was discussed months ago.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: February 7th, 2011 09:11 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

Outcasts, First Episode

Maybe I am too used to Bamber playing Lee Adama on BSG, but I was really unimpressed with his performance in Outcasts. I just watched the entire episode and it was...unremarkable. Then again, it was nice to hear him speaking in his natural accent. He's apparently left Outcasts and I hope his next production plays to his ability. I'd be interested in other people's reactions.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 7th, 2011 09:36 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

Re: Outcasts, First Episode

You just watched the entire episode? Interesting since it's still airing. By the way, Barnes69 (your IP address is showing), canuckyuck, or whatever name you finally decide to go by, this is not the place you want to be looking to create drama that doesn't exist.

My apologies to the fans who have to read this. I'll be cleaning up the thread later.
esmerelda_t From: esmerelda_t Date: February 7th, 2011 10:04 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Show has just finished airing here in Blighty, non spoilery review. Jamie good, show bad.


Slightly spoilery review, Jamie did a good job with a character who was very 'if Lee Adama had promptly gone nuts on Earth' but five minutes in I was rooting for his quick death so I didn't have to watch anymore. The show itself is like Blake's Seven had a love child with Enid Blyton, and I don't mean that as compliment.
From: barnes69 Date: February 7th, 2011 10:07 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I'd argue precisely the opposite. Jamie doesn't do grunge well. The show is a lot like LOST.
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angelicalangie From: angelicalangie Date: February 7th, 2011 10:55 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I continue to be intrigued after the first episode, and there were a lot of beats where I was shouting at the tv or just jaw dropped.

Here there be spoilers.





We all knew and suspected for quite the time that Jamie lasted one episode only. There were plenty of hints given, even with the character synopsis.

I found the show nicely paced, with enough twists - thought his inevitable demise was a given. I expect things to get better with each episode. I will be watching tomorrow - Perhaps there will be flashbacks???
lemurling From: lemurling Date: February 7th, 2011 11:57 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I know I was hoping, from how things were talked about, that his character death would be off screen, allowing for a possible return in a later episode or later series. It's sounding like that isn't the case, but I'll see for myself as soon as I get a chance.

While I enjoy Jamie's work a lot, I'm a general sci-fi fan, and a lot of sci-fi suffers from rough scripts, poor acting, and the general extra overhead of establishing an entire universe in addition to the normal work of a series that is trying to establish a premise and a set of characters. Some would argue that Babylon 5, for example, took over a season to hit its stride, and while BSG hit the ground running with its first episode probably being the single finest episode they ever produced (of course they had the mini-series to help it along, which was also good, but not brilliant), most sci-fi is just not able to do that.

There isn't enough sci-fi on television for me. So I hope that people will give the show a chance to get its legs under it, even without Jamie around to make the wait more pleasurable. It very well might get better as actors settle into their characters and writers settle into their story.
spongetrisha From: spongetrisha Date: February 7th, 2011 10:55 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Having watched the episode I can say Jamie did an amazing job. He can do psychotic really really well.
elzed From: elzed Date: February 7th, 2011 11:16 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Yup - agreed.
elzed From: elzed Date: February 7th, 2011 11:26 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I have to admit I quite liked the show. Yes, it's a bit of a mess and there's lots of stuff packed into it, but there are a couple of interesting strands woven into it (like hints of a terrible, genocidal like event early on in the settlement, and something awful happening to some of the settlers).

I liked the Mitchell Hoban arc, a lot, and the whole expeditionaries vs society builders tension. Hah, it reminded me - not a little - of the military/civilian dilemmas on BSG. Except that there, Mitchell is clearly deluded and fucked up. I thought Jamie was rather good - threatening and messed up and torn apart; also rather absurdly hot. And we got Bamceps!!!

But then he died. Boo.

Seriously though, it was dark and depressing in many respects (not unlike BSG, again, in its willingness to kill a lot of people in the opener - the whole of Earth in backstory for a start, and then most of the people on the transporter...) which I htink is what put a lot of people off. But I liked the grownupedness of it all, the sadness - arg, the bit about the disease that took the kids just about killed me - the seriousness of it all.

So yes, I will continue to watch despite Jamie's demise - even if I am not entirely convinced by the close up of evil smirking Eric Mabius coming in on the shuttle (a bit anvillicious) in the previews, I do want to know what happens next. And, more to the point, what happened before....
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 8th, 2011 12:31 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I was seeing complaints of the episode being exposition heavy and confusion as to what was going on. I hate to make BSG comparisons, but it strikes me that BSG had a similarly large cast, yet four hours to introduce all the characters and establish the plot.

I can't really comment on the rest until I see it. ;) But it's good to know that some people found it intriguing.
ragdoll From: ragdoll Date: February 8th, 2011 02:44 am (UTC) (Link Me)
The internets have been very very good to me. *cough*
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 8th, 2011 03:46 am (UTC) (Link Me)
*cough* *ahem* me too. ;) But thank you darlin'!
kem_viva From: kem_viva Date: February 8th, 2011 05:31 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I just finished watching, I thought Jamie did good (and looked good hehe) but the show on whole was a bit of a mess I thought. Its too bad they killed him because I really liked seeing him in a more let loose roll than on law and order uk, but at least now i don't have to add another show to watch lol.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 8th, 2011 11:27 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Somewhat off topic, but I approve of your taste in actors. ;)
greycoupon From: greycoupon Date: February 8th, 2011 06:58 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Oh, the io9 people got an LJ now?

Yeah for the interwebs. I'll have to acquire this later and watch when I get back from the hospital. Will heavy pain killers enhance the quality or make it worse?

Lee Adama goes crackers sounds like fun and the visual aint bad either.

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zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 8th, 2011 05:30 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Oh, the io9 people got an LJ now?

Ha! Yeaaah. Oh, never mind me... I'll be over here in the corner corpsing. XD

*hi-five*
suzy_74 From: suzy_74 Date: February 8th, 2011 08:32 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I haven't seen it and probably won't but I loved this review. Jamie seemes to have impressed at least. :)

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/reviews/854844-outcasts-is-a-cracking-futuristic-yarn-but-struggles-to-identify-the-good-guy

I really want to see Jamie take the lead in a great movie. Be it action, adventure, drama or comedy. He'd fit the role I'm sure.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 8th, 2011 09:18 am (UTC) (Link Me)

Just business

I may be a cynic, but having worked in media finance I suspect that what the BBC did was use Jamie Bamber to "gain" SciFi viewers and his fanbase from Battlestar. They never viewed him as an "asset" and so he only had a limited ARC role. After the pilot, they brought in the more heavy hitters, i.e. Eric Mabius. This is common practice in Hollywood and the networks do it all the time. Previously, NBC cut every single British actor from its pilots and replaced them with American actors when the series were picked up. The truth is that Eric Mabius costs more per episode than someone like Jamie does for an entire series. Money talks and in the case of Outcasts, a key audience is BBC America. BBC America is part financing this and will want "network" actors to ensure a good return on investment.
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