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"Outcasts" Open Discussion Thread

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The long wait is over! Outcasts premieres tonight at 9:00pm on BBC One. Many of you will be able to watch live. Some of us will need to wait for the internet fairies to work their magic. ;) That may be tonight, it may be tomorrow night, but it doesn't seem fair discussion be held up for those woefully waiting. So with the first episode just hours away, I'm opening up a discussion thread. Feel free to analyze, theorize, criticize, cheer, squee or rant in comments. Until I'm able to see the full episode, I'll be checking in through half covered eyes.

And while everyone anxiously waits the premiere, a couple of interviews to distract you:

Total Sci-Fi Online talks to Jamie specifically about his role in "Outcasts". Only Jamie could somehow weave in references to the Michigan Militia and the Tea Party. ;)

Metor.co.uk talks to Jamie about past and current roles and parts he'd like to play in the future. Interestingly, this is the first time I recall him discussing how his height could lead him to be passed over for work.

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pinkylilie From: pinkylilie Date: February 8th, 2011 11:18 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Waouh I just saw the episode and Jamie is just amazing in it, he blown me away!! I didnt think about that about his character, simply amazing, too bad he's only on this episode...
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 8th, 2011 03:38 pm (UTC) (Link Me)

Wow!

Some heated comments here! Feels a bit like CE/FGA.

zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 8th, 2011 06:41 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
So... yeah, that happened. XD To be honest, given the feedback from various sources (a couple of whom I know and trust) I didn't expect to be blown away by the first episode. And as mentioned elsewhere further up in the thread (if you can find it - sorry about the mess, peeps!), word on the street is the show is going to pick up around Episode 3. I won't wait for each ep with bated breath but I'll give it at least a few more episodes to see if that pans out.

As it is right now though? Yeah, having a hard time getting a good read on anyone and a lot of that, to me, feels like the script being structured as to be deliberately cagey about facts and motives. I'm all for shows that withhold vital information in order to sustain suspense and mystery, but just IMO the script here feels a little transparent in that a regard. Fairly confident they're looking to fill in a lot of the gaps in subsequent episodes, but for the time being it is tough to engage in any of the characters when they're painted in such broad strokes. (Should be noted, though, that I do like the overall concept of the show. Yet, part of the reason BSG succeeded in engaging so quickly despite the bleakness overall is because it had four hours up front in rapid succession to flesh out the premise and establish all the characters' relationships.)

As for Jamie? Superb, and a wise choice IMO to take the role that is rather unlike what he is best known for despite the fact that it's a single episode; to be honest, even with him imbuing a lot of energy and charisma into the part and, given the events of the episode, he gets arguably the strongest character arc... there are still a lot of HUGE gaps in the story that may or may not yet be filled, even if he's not actually in the show anymore. How did Mitch go from the brave, adored hero that Cass talks about to the "crazy gun-head" he ended up? Besides the obvious notion that his pride took a hit as Tate's administration continued to render his team's function less relevant... was there something else? IMO at least, there has got to be something else to his telling Fleur just before she shoots him that Tate isn't who she thinks he is; that kind of dialogue rarely gets doled out just prior to a character death if it isn't significant. ;)

There are a LOT of intriguing aspects to his character, some really unsavory and others hinting that in the long picture he may be in the right... I've got to get to a marketing meeting so I'll leave any discussion of what those might be open. For now. ;)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2011 10:38 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
SO in agreement with your thoughts, particularly this:

feels like the script being structured as to be deliberately cagey about facts and motives. I'm all for shows that withhold vital information in order to sustain suspense and mystery, but just IMO the script here feels a little transparent in that a regard.

I think EVERYONE has a secret and, of course, the man who died is the one person that seemed to know them all. Um, OK! It just screams of writers trying way too hard to make the show interesting and not having a lot of faith in the characters or actors to do it on their own.

I brought up the four hour BSG mini last week after reading reviews, tweets and opinions here that too much information was crammed into an hour of TV. 'Outcasts' could have benefited from staggered introductions to the characters and revealing the backstory by degrees rather than having everyone stand around talking and telling us what has happened (sort of since, you know, they ALL HAVE SECRETS!) in a big exposition dump. And to have two characters die in the first episode and have both be the parents of now Poor!Orphan!Linus! seemed excessive.

Up until the burial, I was hoping Mitchell wasn't dead. Not that I have a great desire to see Jamie come back to the show, but, since Mitchell was the one person who could have put many pieces of the puzzle together for the audience, it doesn't make sense he's gone so soon. It's such writing decisions that don't give me a lot of faith as to where this is headed.

And while I, too, think it was a great decision for Jamie to take on a role unlike any he's played before, the series is very similar to BSG, particularly the New Caprica arc, and *I* would be fearful of him getting pigeonholed into, not just one genre, but a specific type of story told within that genre.
elzed From: elzed Date: February 8th, 2011 07:51 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
A propos of nothing at all - there seems to be an awful lot of anonymous bitchy-ish commenting going on on this post. Shame - not what I expect on LJ...
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 8th, 2011 08:13 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Almost all of the anonymous comments are from the same person. I addressed the issue in another post. ;) It shouldn't be an issue going forward.
elzed From: elzed Date: February 8th, 2011 10:23 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Ah, trolls - such a delight of the interwebs...

;)

Btw - have watched ep 2 of Outcasts - and it's still a bit of a mess. I want to keep on watching (and probably will) but the focus that was on Mitchell in the first ep was sadly lacking... I think they;re trying to pack too much into too little time...

And Eric Mabius's character is almost a comedy villain, which is a bit of a shame...

jamie_girl5 From: jamie_girl5 Date: February 8th, 2011 08:41 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Just finished to watch this episode and Jamie just blow me away....blow me away....just amazing performance....i've never saw him like this...he's so different from his others characters...it's nice to see another part of his acting :-)
the whole episode is about Mitchell and we see through his eyes what happened and i can understand why he's acting this way...(well, the little psycho part can be a bit scary sometimes, lol)
Not sure yet if i'll watch the others episodes...but i just can't pictured Jamie in the whole serie now, i mean, i think everyone noticed some ressemblance with BSG at some point..*roll eyes*...and i can see why he didn't want to be in the whole serie....
I hope the serie will be successfull thought...
The way he acted....with his wife, son, the people he didn't like...just amazing...we already knew that he was a great actor but after seeing him like that...just "waouh"...well done Jamie :-)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2011 10:40 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Not only is 'Outcasts' similar to BSG, it seems to borrow quite a bit from the New Caprica arc. I agree, Jamie made the right decision in playing Mitchell, but it would have been a mistake to stick around too long.
greycoupon From: greycoupon Date: February 13th, 2011 07:49 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Just watched earlier. My, It's like Apollo went insane after the worlds ended, (and started channeling Starbuck in there)

Not really clear how Mitchell goes from heroic leader to crackers separatist. I get it was 10 years and a lot happened...sounds like the hazy references to that virus the children got means they. well, they cast the kids out? Just noted Jamie mentioned in an interview that there was an "act of genocide".

If Mitchell was only going to be there for hour 1, his story needed to gel more. So he was leader of this group who wanted to... move and start a separate colony by a lake? I spent half the ep thinking they were planning on leaving the planet and going elsewhere. Admittedly I follow action poorly and am still medicated. :)

The psych eval confused me. Okay, insubordination, paranoia, seditious leanings, (oh hi Kara)...okay. Multiple personality disorder? Does that mean something else in the UK version of the DSM-IV? Am pretty sure that term has been mostly replaced with Dissociative Personality Disorder here and his other behavior doesn't really point to that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder Something like PTSD, some kind of schitzo or personality disorder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder

Yeah, I play arm chair shrink. Just me, but I thought the twist would be someone else brained Corinna. Guess not since she "betrayed" him and he was going to "euthanize" Linus to save him? Was that the idea? So he wouldnt be a victim of another genocide?

In the non-Jamie parts, the ship arriving was certainly... muddled? That seems like it should be a BFD and it was kinda there,
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2011 10:46 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I think the show is aiming for a mystery as to what happened with the kids, but I easily put together they cast the children out, assumed they all died from the C23 virus, Mitchell learned some lived, they're pissed, and while they looked up to him, they soon could be storming the gates. I also assumed two of them dragged Fleur and Cass from their tent. The only way they could be 'aliens' is if the likely indigenous virus altered them in some way.

Mitchell's plan was to set up a new colony by the lake. It seemed he had support rather than it just being his crazy idea. And I have no idea where 'multiple personality' disorder comes into his behavior. While perhaps irrational, paranoid and violent, he was acting the same throughout the episode.
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