"Outcasts" Open Discussion Thread - Jamie Bamber News — LiveJournal
Unofficial. Fan Run. Squeeing is not only welcomed, but encouraged.
"Outcasts" Open Discussion Thread
84 comments or Leave a comment
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 7th, 2011 07:54 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Only Jamie could somehow weave in references to the Michigan Militia and the Tea Party. ;)

Because he's erudite like dat. ;) (Sorry, I'm still in the second link where he's reading Chomsky on the set of BSG, and BRB DYING.)
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 7th, 2011 09:13 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I thought it was a weird reference. Cannot see any similarity...only he was implying that tea party'ers are all a bit unhinged, since his character in Outcasts certainly is. I wouldn't disagree with that assessment. On the other hand, I do wish Jamie would be more comfortable in his (British) skin and cease attempting all the American references.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 7th, 2011 09:18 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
On the other hand, I do wish Jamie would be more comfortable in his (British) skin and cease attempting all the American references.

Ooookay. And... how does making American sociopolitical comparisons make him uncomfortable to be British, exactly?
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 7th, 2011 10:15 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I was merely observing that when Jamie is in the US, he does his best to portray himself as an American. He talks of American football, BBQs, and uses American idioms that most British would never use. As an American I tend to find that amusing. Sort of an "immigrant syndrome". Just an observation...no comment on his character so relax.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 7th, 2011 10:16 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Just an observation...no comment on his character so relax.

Thoroughly relaxed. I even have my feet up. And tea. But if you're going to make such comments, be prepared to back them up.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 7th, 2011 10:25 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Jamie is an American, on his father's side and holds dual citizenship. He's often spoken of visiting the U.S. as a child and feels very at home here. And, yes, would know all about American football, BBQs and our idioms. Also having spent a great deal of time filming BSG in Canada, I'm sure he's well acquainted with Canadian customs and pastimes too.
lemurling From: lemurling Date: February 7th, 2011 10:31 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
We naturally pick up the idiom and the cultural references of wherever we happen to live. Since he's lived in America for a lot of years now, in addition to having an American parent, I'd be surprised if Jamie didn't use language and symbols that reference American culture, particularly when talking to an American audience. I'm American too, and I don't find it amusing, or affected, or any indication that he's trying to portray himself as American, just an indication that he has lived here for a while, participates enough in our society to be able to comment on it and feel comfortable with it.

I know Americans living in Britain can sometimes come in for disdain for picking up a British accent or using British slang, but I've never understood that view either. Some amount of cultural infusion is inevitable, and complimentary. But then, I use British slang and I don't even have the excuse of ever living there.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 7th, 2011 11:12 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Americans on the whole are naturally uneasy with people who "change their skins".And despite what you say, Jamie is very, very British. I'm a dual national too but would never claim to be British. What I have never really understood about Jamie--and this is my opinion, nothing more--is how he is forever talking about the poor state of British TV, the lack of craft services, the low budgets; and then compares this with lavish American budgets. You don't hear Andrew Lincoln, or Stephen Moyer, or Dan Stevens say things like that. I think he should be proud to be British. If he succeeds in the US, it is because he will be seen as a British actor, which is viewed as being synonymous with excellence in training.
lemurling From: lemurling Date: February 7th, 2011 11:35 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I can't imagine what makes you think you can speak for Americans in general, particularly as I think history shows that assimilation is both expected and approved of among immigrant populations in America, and that most animosity towards immigrants in this country is expressed in terms of failing to assimilate, failing to participate in society.

Not that Jamie seems to be assimilating or attempting to 'change his skin' at all. Your perspective seems truly warped. He lives in America, he uses American slang sometimes and talks about things at times with references to American politics and culture. I don't grasp your need to turn this into him somehow trying to be American or not proud of his mother's culture, the one he was raised in.

As far as his comments on the difference between how LA and Britain treats its actors and budgets its productions, it's simple fact that there is a difference in production values. Jamie has a tendency to be snarky, but he is far from always going on about it, though he and other actors who have worked in both areas do talk about it. When you consider that one of the big differences between the industries is that in America those big budgets lead to much longer TV seasons with more work and stability for those actors that snag roles in them, as opposed to the painfully short British TV cycles, I think any British actor has to appreciate the money aspect of American media, at least, whether or not you've happened to catch them admitting it in an interview.

You seem to be ignorant of his recent career and living situation, among other things. He's been living in LA for years, he splits his time between LA and England in terms of acting. His success as an actor, like the success of most actors, in any country, will be based on his perceived attractiveness, his acting skill, and his luck in being offered or choosing parts. Jamie's not a fresh-faced unknown trying to make it in Hollywood. Casting a 37 year old man does not happen because of the acting reputation of his country of origin. It happens because that actor himself has a body of work that either does or doesn't impress the director and because he as an individual does or doesn't seem like a good fit for the part.
xwacky From: xwacky Date: February 8th, 2011 01:23 am (UTC) (Link Me)
calicomary From: calicomary Date: February 8th, 2011 02:39 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I agree.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 8th, 2011 12:09 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I presume by acting career you mean the odd appearance in Dollhouse and movies like Pulse 2? Please enlighten me to other examples of his roaring success. There's Law and Order: UK plus....

mzcalypso From: mzcalypso Date: February 9th, 2011 02:57 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Please don't try to speak for "Americans" in general. I'm an American now living in Canada, and I have nothing but respect for Jamie and his ability to understand different cultures. He had an advantage of growing up in many places -- Paris, the UK, the US -- and he discusses international situations far more intelligently than anyone I've seen on mainstream news, outside of Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann.
84 comments or Leave a comment