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elzed From: elzed Date: February 7th, 2011 11:26 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I have to admit I quite liked the show. Yes, it's a bit of a mess and there's lots of stuff packed into it, but there are a couple of interesting strands woven into it (like hints of a terrible, genocidal like event early on in the settlement, and something awful happening to some of the settlers).

I liked the Mitchell Hoban arc, a lot, and the whole expeditionaries vs society builders tension. Hah, it reminded me - not a little - of the military/civilian dilemmas on BSG. Except that there, Mitchell is clearly deluded and fucked up. I thought Jamie was rather good - threatening and messed up and torn apart; also rather absurdly hot. And we got Bamceps!!!

But then he died. Boo.

Seriously though, it was dark and depressing in many respects (not unlike BSG, again, in its willingness to kill a lot of people in the opener - the whole of Earth in backstory for a start, and then most of the people on the transporter...) which I htink is what put a lot of people off. But I liked the grownupedness of it all, the sadness - arg, the bit about the disease that took the kids just about killed me - the seriousness of it all.

So yes, I will continue to watch despite Jamie's demise - even if I am not entirely convinced by the close up of evil smirking Eric Mabius coming in on the shuttle (a bit anvillicious) in the previews, I do want to know what happens next. And, more to the point, what happened before....
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 8th, 2011 12:31 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I was seeing complaints of the episode being exposition heavy and confusion as to what was going on. I hate to make BSG comparisons, but it strikes me that BSG had a similarly large cast, yet four hours to introduce all the characters and establish the plot.

I can't really comment on the rest until I see it. ;) But it's good to know that some people found it intriguing.
elzed From: elzed Date: February 8th, 2011 12:35 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Frankly, I don't mind a convoluted set up if they deliver afterwards. And they are scheduling the second ep for tomorrow evening, so I assume it's going to continue to provide us with some building blocks...

And srsly, Jamie is very good as the tortured pioneer guy who loses the plot... And he gets to wave guns and shoot people (which, you know, when fictional? SO hot)
anamarya From: anamarya Date: February 8th, 2011 08:02 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I just finished watching it - thank you internet fairies for that - and i tend to agree with you. I kind of liked it. is strange, dark, intriguing. Rises a lot of questions about what happened before and about what will happen.
and yes, i liked Jamie here. its a good role. and one of the things that make it good is that Mitchell has practically nothing in common with Lee except maybe the concern for the future and being tormented y past decisions. but the way of dealing with then is totally different.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 8th, 2011 05:34 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
even if I am not entirely convinced by the close up of evil smirking Eric Mabius coming in on the shuttle (a bit anvillicious) in the previews

Not entirely convinced in what sense? That it's a portent of good show to come, or that he's in fact evil? (Cause if it's the latter, I'm with you. The moral gauges on the principles are sooo all over the place that I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be quite excellent.)
elzed From: elzed Date: February 8th, 2011 07:48 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Oh, the portent stuff... I just thought it was a bit too heavy as foreshadowing goes and lacking in subtlety? It seemed coarse - not what I expected in this show...

Then again, I am happy to doubt the long term good/evil/neither one nor the other colours of any character. Moral ambiguity! She rules!!!

zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 8th, 2011 07:52 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Moral ambiguity! She rules!!!

Well yes, I mean I enjoy questioning whether the characters in a show I love are making the best decisions for the right reasons. That is a big reason why I continued to love BSG so much, and many other shows I love present the same dilemma. I think in this particular case, the episode was so crowded yet brief enough to not get a real anchor point on which to base those observations; maybe Episode 2 will help. ;)
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