From: falconer17	Date: March 4th, 2011 09:06 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)

The Coen brothers do it all the time ;)

	From: esmerelda_t	Date: March 4th, 2011 09:08 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)

Heh, Fargo with magic? I'd watch it! :)

	From: zegeekgirl	Date: March 5th, 2011 06:09 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)

The more I think about it, this is a good point worth making - it may still be a relative rarity in television, but certain auteur film directors like the Coens and David Lynch do it ALL THE TIME. (Heck, if you roll Twin Peaks into Lynch's overall CV, he did it there too. ;) ) There's no reason why a telly showrunner shouldn't attempt the same method, see what kind of chemistry he can get out of the same components in a different context.

	From: asta77	Date: March 4th, 2011 09:37 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)

I'm trying to think of another example and am coming up blank. Ben Browder and Claudia Black starred together on Farscape and the soon after on Stargate, but different showrunners and Ben was filling a void left by Richard Dean Anderson's departure from SG1.

I have concerns like everyone else, but I believe the good outweighs the possible bad. The casting of Jamie, James and Tricia has created a HUGE surge in buzz. The more the show is talked about, the better it's chances are for a series pickup. And while no one can argue Ron isn't casting casting talented actors (and pretty faces ;) to help make the series as good as it can be, I think we can also say he's trying to create a new fanbase from the foundation of the old fanbase. Given all the obstacles there are to just getting a series on the schedule, I can't say I blame him.

	From: zegeekgirl	Date: March 4th, 2011 10:54 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)

There have have been a fair amount of negative comments online today re: the number of BSG returning players, BUT it's important to note that they are mostly (though not entirely) on places like Deadline which, let's be honest, get linked in fan-centric circles but is not a place where genre fans congregate. ;) And this is precisely why I was concerned, but I do agree that at least so far, the level to which fans have been excited by the casting and are now hotly anticipating the show seems to be tipping the scales at the moment.

I should also note that it's probably to the show's advantage that Jamie, James and Tricia - while they all have key roles in the show - would appear to be lower down the rungs of lead status from Stockard Channing and Eamonn Walker. So with those two toplining, it balances the load a bit more, too.

	From: esmerelda_t	Date: March 5th, 2011 12:03 am (UTC)		(Link Me)

There have have been a fair amount of negative comments online

I'm not sure that matters at all. The show will be on NBC, if it suceeds it has to do so by appealing to a mainstream audience, and I'm guessing the bulk of that audience will never have watched BSG and so will neither realise or care. Also, fanboys (and girls) complain, yet it doesn't seem to stop most of them watching what they're complaining about in my experience!

I think what worries me most (because the acting chops of Jamie, James and Tricia certainly doesn't)is a sinking feeling Ron may be writing this purely for himself and to have fun with his pals. Might be good fun for his core audience, might be self-indulgent clap trap, we wont know until the show airs. I worry it wont have mainstream appeal though which it's going to need to survive on network TV but it really is far too early to worry about such things. Although I think I could live with 13 eps of good fun where Apollo, Baltar and Six solve magical crimes together!

	From: asta77	Date: March 5th, 2011 12:40 am (UTC)		(Link Me)

Also, fanboys (and girls) complain, yet it doesn't seem to stop most of them watching what they're complaining about in my experience!

Hee Hee. So true! And I've been in several fandoms. It's universal! ;-)

I'm sure it won't have the mainstream appeal as other procedurals, but then I look at NBC's Chuck which has survived looming cancellation several times and is in it's fourth season. So if 17th Precinct can nab a comparable devoted audience it may be a 'hit' for NBC for awhile.

	From: esmerelda_t	Date: March 5th, 2011 12:51 am (UTC)		(Link Me)

Good point. Last I heard NBC was really struggling, is that still the case? If so a modest hit could run a while. There's also the possiblity it'll be a Lost or Heroes and break out and there'll be emmy awards and then oscars for the spin off movie!

Ok I might be getting ahead of myself there! :P

	From: esmerelda_t	Date: March 5th, 2011 12:39 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)

I have thought of an example of a show runner resusing cast in another show! Last weekend a friend was telling me I should check out Treme, the new show from David 'The Wire' Simon which has several The Wire alumni in the cast.

Not too shabby for a precedent I'd say!

	From: asta77	Date: March 5th, 2011 02:49 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)

Excellent Example!

	From: asta77	Date: March 4th, 2011 09:47 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)
	Re: Wild Speculation....

Possibly. Although I do have concerns about Katee and Jamie being paired as a couple onscreen again and the only other female role I know of is Caolan's wife, Susan.

I know James was spotted on the Warner Brothers lot recently and Ron's production deal is with Sony. There would be a gap of time between the pilot being shot and the series going into production. I assume the actors are auditioning for other, guest starring roles in the meantime.

	From: lemurling	Date: March 4th, 2011 10:42 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)
	Re: Wild Speculation....

Was there anything in the description for Susan that mentioned her being sassy, bubbly, perky, or otherwise Katee-like?

It seems really unlikely that anyone would cast Katee opposite Jamie again for a really long time, if ever. As much as I thought they had great chemistry and was a total Kara/Lee shipper, it would be the sort of casting decision that I think would cause too much negative commentary, a sort of 'cheating' as it were. Plus, as I recall, no matter what I think of their chemistry, Katee has said in interviews that she's too close to Jamie's family to be really comfortable playing his romantic opposite, so I'd think she would avoid letting herself get cast into a role like that again.

As much as I like her, it would probably be a mistake to cast Katee in 17th Precinct at all, even if there weren't already a ton of BSG folks. Because the Kara/Lee thing was so strong, I think it would interfere with the viewer's perception of their characters if they weren't playing romantic roles. Playing husband-wife would almost be better. I'm thinking of Stargate here, which I only started watching for Ben Browder and Claudia Black. The writers tried so hard to keep their characters from hardly even talking to each other, because of the history, but even still, all I could see was the sparks and comfortable chemistry between them in what little shared screentime they were allowed. Not that they weren't acting well and didn't have chemistry with other actors, but their bond was in my mind at least, overwhelming all of that.

	From: asta77	Date: March 4th, 2011 11:10 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)
	Re: Wild Speculation....

While the descriptions for James and Jamie's characters have been pretty spot on with their portrayers, not quite so much with the other characters and actors cast.

I can't say I'd be opposed to a romantic pairing onscreen between Jamie and Katee way in the future, but it seems too soon after BSG. As much as I loved having Ben and Claudia on SG1 and loved both characters, it took me awhile to not see them as John and Aeryn. And part of me always longed for them to be a couple again on SG1. ;) So even if Ron flirts with the idea of a re-pairing Jamie and Katee, both actors would likely not think the idea a good one.

	From: callmeonetrack	Date: March 4th, 2011 11:51 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)
	Re: Wild Speculation....

Susan is pretty sarcastic and I could see Katee saying some of her lines for sure. She is also blonde and in her 30s.

HOWEVER, Susan is likely to be a pretty small part. Plus she's an antiques shop owner.

I think Katee would not want the role because it would be a step backwards for her. Maybe Susan will become more prominent but it's no kind of lead and I can't imagine it becoming one on this heavily procedural show.

Plus, especially since she is keen on FX's Powers and the producers were pretty keen on it as well, mentioning her as their dream casting for one of the leads. She seems more focused on action roles, which she likes to play, and I imagine that would be more appealing than playing someone's wife. Er, possibly especially Jamie Bamber's wife. (Not because of anything personal but because too much like Kara/Lee retread, as Asta points out.)

Then again, I could be totally wrong. Never thought he'd pick up Jamie AND James AND Tricia.

But I'm pulling for Katee to get Powers. :) Maybe she could guest star down the line though on 17th P? ;)

Edited at 2011-03-04 11:56 pm (UTC)

	From: zegeekgirl	Date: March 4th, 2011 10:56 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)

It probably remains to be seen how major a player Susan will be, but she's given a fair amount of description as I understand it in the pilot (she's NOT a detective, she owns an antique store), and given *cough* other spoilery circumstances, her role is NOT insignificant. ;)

	From: asta77	Date: March 4th, 2011 11:00 pm (UTC)		(Link Me)

I've only read the casting sides so, while Susan seemed a relatively minor role in the pilot, it doesn't mean she couldn't play a larger role in the series. In addition to being Caolan's (Jamie's) wife, she owned her own business.