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Law & Order: UK Episode 5.4, "Tick Tock" - Discussion Thread

"Tick Tock" by Richard Stokes.


I'm afraid this post is currently photoless. ITV didn't see fit to release any promo photos with Jamie. What were they thinking?!?! I'll try to add a screencap later, assuming the internet fairies are kind.

I'm also hoping Live Journal is kinder to us all this week. The "Crush" discussion was sidelined by a DDoS attack. Though, I will admit "Crush" was my least favorite episode of the current series, even with the mini-Hornblower, sort-of reunion.

OK, now go forth and discuss!

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angelicalangie From: angelicalangie Date: July 31st, 2011 08:32 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Is it me or has Matty got a bit more assertive these days.

And that Line about playing bad cop? had me laughing
esmerelda_t From: esmerelda_t Date: July 31st, 2011 09:48 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
aww, I thought Crush was enjoyable enough!

Solid ep, some great banter. I quite enjoyed Devlin's whole "I don't have time for this shit" attitude this ep, much more aggressive than usual, it was kinda hot. :P
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 31st, 2011 11:34 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
The part about Matt reading is what saved "Crush" IMO. I'm hoping for better this time.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 31st, 2011 11:57 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
That was a cute moment. :) There were moments I liked (and I fekt Greg Wise gave a great performance), but the parts didn't equal a satisfying whole for me. I think the bottom line was, even though her husband's infidelity caused her child to suffer a debilitating disease, I couldn't quite buy her risking be separated from that child.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: August 2nd, 2011 03:19 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Ah, forgot to mention that bit in my comment (just posted) - also a highlight. ;)
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 1st, 2011 11:21 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I've got mixed feelings about the ep.
I liked the urgency of the first part and Matt's no nonsense attitude. I also LOVED Alesha's comeback about not being an assistant (Alesha generally kicked ass).

However I'm a bit unsure about the case, especially Jake's crusade for a life sentence. I'm just not sure if I was in the jury I'd have convicted her for life. Definetely send her to prison for a prolonged time but for life? She may have caused the deaths but she couldn't have known exactly what would happen and she did look scared out of her mind in the news agent.
I mean even if there were sound arguments for putting her away for life it was an odd case for Jake to get so passionate about. It felt like they were putting the whole responsibility on the girl because the guy who had actually pulled the trigger wasn't there anymore.
All in all it was an interesting case though.

On a sidenote: not so sure about Jake getting a bit flirtatious with Alesha. We already had that kind of relationship...
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: August 2nd, 2011 03:22 am (UTC) (Link Me)
It felt like they were putting the whole responsibility on the girl because the guy who had actually pulled the trigger wasn't there anymore.

Yes, I sort of felt the same way (see my subsequent comment in a minute)...
asta77 From: asta77 Date: August 7th, 2011 04:56 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
The case perplexed me. I think, in part, because British law differs a bit from U.S. law. But also, while Joanne (or was it Joanna?) was clearly guilty of numerous crimes and deserved prison time, it was also clear she did not plot any murders and didn't foresee them happening. Maybe she thought her ex could be killed, but not the others. The video footage from the shop showed she was nervous holding the gun and threatening the cashier.

Jake flirting with Alesha had a been there/done that feel. Not that James flirted with Alesha like that, but the writers already played the potential office romance angle.
spongetrisha From: spongetrisha Date: August 1st, 2011 08:39 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I loved this weeks episode, it's definately my favourite one of the series so far.
I loved the more assertive, in control Matt and I loved him being bad cop.
Loved Ronnie and the Guv.

I think ITV have definately messed around with the episode order, that whole conversation about Not James Steel being the new kid on the block was a bit out of place for the fourth episode in the run and was it my imagination or was there a little spark with Not James Steel and Alesha?
asta77 From: asta77 Date: August 7th, 2011 04:59 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I know episodes were shot out of order and, due to a winter storm, parts of episodes needed to be shot after their holiday break. I swear Jamie's hair was a bit longer at the start of the episode and I can't imagine Matt had time for a haircut!

I think the writers were trying to create a spark, but I'm not sure if it was there. I like to think Alesha is still seeing James, just not in the office. ;)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: August 2nd, 2011 03:39 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I also felt like this episode was a mixed bag, and agree that it started very strong with tons of awesome Team Law stuff (Joy's back! Ange is out of the office! The boys AND the guv investigating the crime scene. TOGETHER LIKE! TEEEEAM! ;) ) A bit of a return to the original Brooks/Devlin chemistry with Matt pushing a bit harder on every angle (granted, in this particular case, it's less about his personality and more about there being a desperate element of time involved.) I did think it was a really, really good red herring - one of their best yet - to imply that perhaps the masked girl was Helen Shane for a time, because it would have been a neat twist for there to be an inside job, but of course that didn't pan out.

dramaturgca and I watched this episode together and at one point, I told her I was willing to wager that the CPS were gonna lose this case. They haven't lost one in a while, AND ol' Phyllis Gladstone has never won one against them yet so she was due a smug win. ;) But... that didn't pan out. To be honest, I am glad it didn't pan out primarily on the basis of the fact that they would not have won had it not been for Alesha; her determination won the day, not Jake's stubbornness. (I'm trying, really I am, and I KNOW Jake is meant to come off more all-business and less charm than James and I'm trying not to compare them, BUT... I'm still waiting to really start liking him. And again, I don't fault Dominic at all.)

I looked up the past mothership ep this was based on and I sort of remember it, and curiously saw that it was based on the Patty Hearst case, where the girl being proscecuted claimed she was a kidnap victim who was forced to commit the crimes at hand. Even when I read the episode description of this one, it reminded me more of the Starkweather/Fugate case and I wonder if Richard Stokes had that in mind. In that case, Carol Fugate was similarly prosecuted as though she had a choice while the defense tried to prove that she was young and terrified of her boyfriend and didn't actually commit any of the murders. Now, I did sort of feel as though by having her shoot the boyfriend, some of the tension that could have played out interestingly here was sacrificed because we didn't have a double case to try. And it would have been more interesting for me in the end if we had a persistent question simply based on whether or not Joanne had a choice here, and not had a fifth act revelation that she set the wheels in motion; I like those morality quandry episodes much more. (See: "Community Service," which though the ending pisses me off I love the moral implications of all the arguments.)

Final tangential note: Henry's busted out the whiskey, I guess he's officially director of CPS now. ;) (Also, when he mentioned to Jake "The DPP has his eye on you" I literally squeaked and went "That's GEORGE!" Aww, George. <3)

Hey, asta77 - since you still need a cap, take your pick. ;)


asta77 From: asta77 Date: August 7th, 2011 05:10 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
This was a so-so ep for me and we seem to be in agreement as to why. I thought Jamie/Matt had some great moments. I loved how assertive he was with his threatening to be the bad cop when he clearly already was in bad cop mode and Ronnie saying, 'You don't want to see him when he's a bad cop.' Hee!

But the case? Eh. I think the reveal that she had set the wheels in motion muddled the case and led to an incorrect verdict. Was she guilty of numerous crimes? Yes. But was she a cold blooded killer? No. The case would have worked better had it been revealed she was either the brains behind the operation, driving her boyfriend to kill, or if she was truly an innocent victim traumatized by abuse.

And I'm still a bit iffy as to what motivates Jake. I understand it was a high profile case, but in addition to salvaging his new career he seemed to be passionate about sending her away for life as a murderer and I'm not sure why.
charlsie_esq From: charlsie_esq Date: August 3rd, 2011 12:22 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I want to thank Richard Stokes for bringing Joy back, for getting Ang out of the office, for putting Natalie on the street for most of this episode, for the squadroom scene and most of all for giving Matt Devlin so many great lines. Thank you.

And to all those responsible for the blue striped shirt that Jamie wore, a very special thank you!

This episode was about equals, not just the gunmen but also Matt and Ronnie and Alesha and Jake. Everyone seemed to be on equal footing and it made for much better drama.

The squadroom scene was my favorite, seeing all the people in the CID was a treat.

The office scene between Alesha and Phyllis Gladstone was so well done (although I don't think any senior female lawyer would ever make the mistake of calling another woman lawyer an assistant). Henry/Jake scene was the first one I've liked all season.

And I love every one of the Team Law scenes. I love them all!

anamarya From: anamarya Date: August 3rd, 2011 01:16 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
finally managed to see the episode. i liked the case and especially Alesha. she's really growing on me lately.

and of course i have to second the comments about the "bad cop" line, the blue stripped shirt and even more than that the ones about Angie out on the field.
jill1228 From: jill1228 Date: August 7th, 2011 11:55 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I just watched this one. Alesha's line to Phyllis was total smackdown classic! I'm sure she has an axe or 2 to grind with Phyllis.
Alesha looked stunning when she was at the club. Jake was trying to crack on her? "Why didn't you take me? I'm pretty good on the dance floor?"
Um because you ain't James Steel? :)
ayajedi From: ayajedi Date: September 8th, 2011 01:39 am (UTC) (Link Me)
the episode is showing on BBC America right now, I am enjoying Matt's assertiveness
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