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asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 17th, 2012 01:35 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
There may have been a bit of a squee emanating from me when I heard Dr Hathaway's British accent. Eric had mentioned in an interview Jamie was playing a visiting professor, so I had hoped that meant from across the pond. It's not quite Jamie's natural accent, but a slightly more pronounced and snobby(?) accent. Probably one Jamie felt befitting an over-educated, slightly (at least) full of himself professor and successful author/self help sage to the stars. ;)

Actually, his accent reminded me of someone else's. When he informed Kate it was her last chance to buy him a drink, I went, "Gaius Baltar!" Call me crazy, but didn't he sound (and remind you of) James playing Gaius? Or maybe James was just imprinted on me from seeing him earlier in the evening.

Even though Jamie's time was too brief, I very much appreciated getting to see him play yet another type of character. I wouldn't call Hathaway an asshole, but with his, "Maybe you can buy me a real drink. Seven is good for me", and expecting Kate to take him up on his generous offer, he immediately struck me as egotistical and full of himself. Then again, it's probably born of A LOT of woman taking him up on the offer because he looks like Jamie Bamber. ;)

However, Daniel's "She took that asshole?!" made me LOL. Maybe it's too soon, but I'm not feeling Daniel/Kate AT ALL and it seems the show is telling us that Daniel has an interest in Kate, though she's at least oblivious at the moment.

As for the plot, I was not impressed. I felt the pilot was MUCH stronger in that area. The murder mystery in this episode took too many twists and turns until it became ridiculous. And I knew as soon as e saw the maid she was actually the wife. If I could figure it out so fast how could an FBI agent and supposed genius not?

Also, the hallucinations were far less successful in that they were far more obvious manifestations of his subconscious reasoning.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: July 17th, 2012 02:39 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
James was just imprinted on me from seeing him earlier in the evening

You didn't happen to be watching Eureka, did you?

The word that came to my mind for Dr. Hathaway was smarmy. That isn't a bad description for Baltar either.

the maid she was actually the wife

I thought that might be but I actually have mild propopagnosia so I figured I was off, as I often am.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 17th, 2012 02:53 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
You didn't happen to be watching Eureka, did you?

I was. :) Though, I think James forgot what accent he did when he was first on because he sounded different. In fairness, it has been awhile and they were scrambling to make the episode.

Smarmy might work too. ;) A saving grace for Hathaway is when Kate turned him down for the second time he did walk away. There's a fine line between persistent and pushy and he didn't cross it.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: July 17th, 2012 07:17 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Yes, I think it was a different accent but I *really* hated Dr. Grant's accent when he was on before so I was ok with it. All those Eureka eps just made me think of how great Jamie is at doing numerous accents. Not everyone can pull it off.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 03:56 am (UTC) (Link Me)
A saving grace for Hathaway is when Kate turned him down for the second time he did walk away. There's a fine line between persistent and pushy and he didn't cross it.

Another thing you and I already discussed (I was busy at work, I didn't have time to actually comment! ;) )... but while I appreciate that he backed off in that moment, I don't think it was quite enough overall. Still feel like the show is playing him far too obviously caddish up-front, I would love it if the show played with our expectations a little bit. Part of what was so great about Martin Klar in Dollhouse was that he started off quite dreamy before his evil whack-job side was revealed.
charlsie_esq From: charlsie_esq Date: July 17th, 2012 03:29 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I did the same squee when I heard the accent. Actually, it was more like, "Thank you Jesus!" I really love Jamie's natural speaking voice and it has bothered me that having him on tv more will mean hearing his real voice less. I thought it was his voice though. I am tempted to re-watch his Dollhouse episode to see if it was that one, maybe that's what I'm thinking of.

I thought the same thing about the "Seven is good for me." comment. Someone who looks like that is probably not accustomed to a woman saying, thanks but no thanks. Then after the professional-introduction scene, I immediately thought, ah this is the triangle. It'll be interesting to see how that develops.

Now that I've slept on it though, I get what bugs me about Rachel Cook: I think she's too young for the role. Maybe she's age appropriate but she lacks some depth that I expect from my tv-FBI agents. Maybe it's because I am addicted to Criminal Minds, I am just used to women (short or tall) who project strength (Like Kathryn Morris in Cold Case). These women are supposed to have come through a program where the women have to prove themselves on top of all the other work. Rachel reminds me more of "roving reporter"-type. And she's too young for Eric's character. I just don't like it. I thought she looked adorable with Jamie, but I find I prefer the scenes that she is not in.

I agree the pilot was better, the plot just got too convoluted and the wigs were just terrible. This episode had problems, no doubt but the hallucinations are my biggest gripe. They have to do something more when it comes to his hallucinations. He should be more horrified, frightened, something more than just frozen. The hallucinations felt more like ghosts and I felt let down.

Last point: Love the blue jumper and am I the only one who thought he looks like Robert Redford in his first scene?
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: July 17th, 2012 07:11 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
am I the only one who thought he looks like Robert Redford in his first scene

No! You aren't the only one. We were discussing it when the stills for the ep came out.

I like the sweater too but I had to sort of laugh that he dressed like that for a baseball game.

zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 04:02 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Hee, thanks for linking back to the Redford chat. *le sigh*

About the baseball game, that's one of the few bits that did make total logical sense though - if he didn't know if he'd be staying in Chicago much longer, he may not have packed too many casual clothex. XD </ trainspotter>
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 04:00 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Re: Rachel's age appropriateness - she's not much younger than a lot of other actresses he's played opposite, but she does have a very young face. Part of me is always inclined to argue in favor of baby-faced actors simply because I feel for them, and I am sure it's hard for them to keep from playing younger roles in perpetuity; for every one Michael J. Fox for whom at some point they are big enough stars that that's no longer an issue, there are many others that struggle with it. That said, I do think so far she hasn't quite grabbed the toughness we're meant to believe in Kate by the horns, but I think the writing is all over the place; sometimes she's a little too spunky when she ought to be more commanding. *shrug*
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 04:18 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Oh, and about Dollhouse - yes, that is probably the closest in any of the past few years' roles (guest or otherwise) to his actual accent. ;) )
asta77 From: asta77 Date: July 18th, 2012 12:42 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I think in actual years, RLC's casting is fine. And she comes off as intelligent and dedicated and I could see her advancing quickly in the FBI. But maybe she isn't conveying the experience Kate would have in her performance? There's something missing there.
charlsie_esq From: charlsie_esq Date: July 18th, 2012 01:20 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Before this thread, I hadn't considered that there was a tough female FBI-agent "stock character." I guess I've just mindlessly embraced them for not being silly girls. And what you said about Marsha Thompson - exactly! I can see RLC's age isn't really the issue, it's a combination of her performance and the writing of her character so far. Maisie Williams is a baby, but phenomenal on Game of Thrones (she also has amazing scripts to work with, lucky girl!).

They are doing Korsakoff's syndrome next week. I went to college with someone who had it, so I'm hoping for better on all fronts and going to have wait patiently (I hate doing that) for Jamie's next episode!

Edited at 2012-07-18 01:21 pm (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: July 18th, 2012 03:51 am (UTC) (Link Me)
When he informed Kate it was her last chance to buy him a drink, I went, "Gaius Baltar!" Call me crazy, but didn't he sound (and remind you of) James playing Gaius?

You and I already discussed this, but for the public record YES. ;) I actually thought this BEFORE that (like, try his first scene), and yes I also watched Eureka but between James' iffy Yank accent in that and that fact that multiple comments have pointed out the same thing, I don't think prior Eureka exposure on the night is the reason. And now someone has to ask Jamie at some point "Dude... Baltar impression, yeah?" ;) (If it wasn't intentional... maybe it was subconscious. Mwahahaha.)

Maybe it's too soon, but I'm not feeling Daniel/Kate AT ALL and it seems the show is telling us that Daniel has an interest in Kate, though she's at least oblivious at the moment.

Yeah, not sure how fond I am of that possibility at all, but I hear you. Given the fact that Kate used to be his student and the way he reacted to busty flirty co-ed in the pilot (that plotline was ridiculous and full of ugh, BTW), for him to be attracted to Kate in any way doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But frankly, there are multiple elements of the show so far that are all over the place. It's also problematic w/ regard to, IMO, the muddled way in which the show treats Daniel's schizophrenia to be using it as a possible crutch for some relationship with Kate he's longing for, meanwhile she will be dating his arseholey-yet-handsome and not mentally unstable doppleganger.

BTW, I should probably point out here that though I (and probably most of us) were hoping for a cute/kind/utterly fanciable with no strings attached character (maybe with glasses OK FINE, I'LL SHUT UP ABOUT THAT NOW, jeeez ;) ), I'm actually fine with Hathaway being kind of a douche in principle. Jamie should play as wide an array of characters as possible because someone as talented as he is deserves the chance to show off a bit of range...

...THAT SAID. ;) The fact that Hathaway comes off so smarmy right out of the gate kind of doesn't work for me. If he were a jerk for the length of one episode, that's another thing, but this is an ongoing arc; wouldn't it make more sense for his jerkiness to be more implied and/or something that Daniel is possibly perceiving because of the content of his books, yet everyone else finds him charming? He's really not terribly charming at all, he's condescending and egotistical and the episode doesn't give us a real reason for Kate to reconsider going out with him AT ALL other than, well... look at him. ;) There should have been a moment where he says or does something in that scene in the hallway that gives her a reason to doubt her first impression of him. But there isn't - she walks away FIRST, and without any real impetus other than she's got these damn baseball tickets in her hand, she changes her mind. Uhhh... :/
anamarya From: anamarya Date: July 18th, 2012 11:30 am (UTC) (Link Me)
BTW, I should probably point out here that though I (and probably most of us) were hoping for a cute/kind/utterly fanciable with no strings attached character (maybe with glasses OK FINE, I'LL SHUT UP ABOUT THAT NOW, jeeez ;) ), I'm actually fine with Hathaway being kind of a douche in principle. Jamie should play as wide an array of characters as possible because someone as talented as he is deserves the chance to show off a bit of range...

what you said.....
anamarya From: anamarya Date: July 18th, 2012 11:23 am (UTC) (Link Me)
When he informed Kate it was her last chance to buy him a drink, I went, "Gaius Baltar!"

Thank you - I thought that I was crazy. Or like you say below - under the influence of the scenes that Callis had in Eureka's finale.

he immediately struck me as egotistical and full of himself.

yes to this. and sort of a "normal" behavior from somebody in his position - i know a couple of very successful profs who act in the same way without looking that good and without being bad guys. They're just very self-absorbed.
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