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"Monday Mornings" Episode 1x02 Discussion Thread: "Deus Ex Machina"


It's Monday night, which means more Monday Mornings! This would be your discussion thread for the second episode, "Deus Ex Machina". I would also very much encourage everyone with a Facebook and/or Twitter account to let TNT you are watching and enjoying the show: Monday Mornings on Facebook and @MondayMornTNT. As you may know, ratings were not good last week - although that was the case for MANY shows on several networks. A pretty good discussion of the situation was had in this previous post. I wish I could say TNT has stepped up their promotional efforts, but, nope. :/ The cast who are on Twitter have been doing their darnedest to spread the word (as well their friends) and we just need to do whatever we can. There have been many tweets this week indicating people are time-shifting their viewing and liking what they are seeing when they see it.

If you missed the pilot, TNT, after briefly (and inexplicably) taking the pilot episode down from their website, now has it streaming again.

TheStar.com has posted an interview with Jamie in which he talks about acting, his career and his family.

And earlier today Jamie appeared along with Dr. Sanjay Gupta on The Jeff Probst Show. Nothing from the broadcast is up on the website yet (although they do post full episodes) and, sadly, the show does not air in my area so I can't even provide highlihts, but there is a pretty awesome clip of Jamie And Sanjay pulling prank on Jeff during a commercial break on the site.



ETA: lindy_tales has posted her screencaps for the episode. See lovely example below. :)



ETA 2: Monday Mornings - Behind the Mask - Season One, Episode Two

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eglantine_br From: eglantine_br Date: February 12th, 2013 02:24 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Nice to get a little insight into his brain.
dramaturgca From: dramaturgca Date: February 12th, 2013 03:26 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I have to say, I don't think it's just the TNT PR machine that's breaking down. When Leverage premiered 4 years ago (or so), you couldn't turn on TNT without catching a re-air of the episode. It was on 10-12 times a week, seriously; some in primetime, some in daytime, some for we who do not sleep at night. MM? It's on at 10pm and midnight tonight. There are two other airings during the week, both in the wee small hours. There's nowhere for the casual viewer to pick it up other than its actual timeslot and I think that hurts it as a non-network show.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 12th, 2013 04:06 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Good point. Another problem is the repeat airings don't have a set time. At least not yet. For instance, it aired at 11am Saturday morning last week, but airs at 10am this week. I also wonder if slotting it in between 'Castle' or 'The Mentalist' repeats would help.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 12th, 2013 07:07 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Commenting on the night-of is really rough for me now that my job requires getting up much earlier. Boo, and also, bollocks. I'll have a LOT more to add in the AM - still have some real issues with a few things but overall the pacing of this episode worked much better for me than the pilot, I have to say. The dynamic of the ensemble felt more at ease, less scrambling to make sure everyone got a proper introduction. Plus one or two REALLY fine Jamie moments, though he didn't have my favorite moment in the episode tonight. ;) Your guesses will be entertained on who did until I get a chance to post tomorrow!

Edited at 2013-02-12 07:07 am (UTC)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 12th, 2013 02:20 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Well, my plan was to watch the second airing and then post thoughts, but I fell asleep. Which is actually quite the compliment to the show since I can only fall asleep in front of the TV if I'm enjoying what I'm watching and it relaxes me. :) So, yeah, thoughts have to wait until my lunch break now.

I'm going to guess your favorite moment was something obscure I missed. ;p However, the iTunes gift card scene cracked me up, for many reasons. And, true story, we once had a client pay us in gift cards (not iTunes though).

My favorite Jamie moments involved his facial expressions and reactions to things being said. The boy REALLY needs to do comedy.
Physha1 From: Physha1 Date: February 12th, 2013 04:42 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
LOVED hearing him laugh on the Jeff Probst show. Don't get enough of that!
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 12th, 2013 05:48 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
The one thing I find frustrating right now is there are great moments where I see the potential for the show, but then something happens where I want to shake someone. Mostly David E Kelly.

I'll start with the bad and work my way to the good. Ty's hallucinations. Please say we are done with them. I'm all for Ty's guilt playing out for awhile. And I want to see Jamie playing Ty's guilt because we know how well he can play guilt. But the way he's being forced to show that guilt? Nooooo. I actually cringed during the teaser. A dream involving 'Dead child haunting me' and 'peers laughing at me' just screamed lazy writing. And, later, we were supposed to buy he says dead people (or their mom) in the hallways and...he believes it? O_o I was especially upset by that moment since I was enjoying the scene up until that point - the patient asking Ty if he was good at his job and Jamie's PERFECT, wordless response. :)

The Tricia case was a mixed bag. It's an interesting question, "Is a thirteen year old able to make a decision about her health? Can she choose between life and death?" And the young actress was great. I did wonder if Tricia was acting old for age, but then I realized thirteen year olds today are more mature (and have to deal with more) than when I was thirteen and being forced to deal with a potentially fatal form of cancer will make one grow up fast. My problems with the story were ultimately that three adult men were, at one point, ganging up on her to change her mind and a heavy-handedness evident throughout (which remains a justifiable criticism of the entire show).

Tina's turn on the hot seat I felt was a successful storyline for many reasons. One, it's obvious, with the lawsuit, this story will have time to develop over several episodes, at least. We got to see a pissed off and kind of snarky Tina (which I liked and is a far more interesting Tina than the one on the book). And I found something fascinating about the case (which I didn't in the book). In the episode, the surgery gone (sort-of) wrong has less to do with Michelle's competency as a surgeon, but asks should Tina have had a more active role in explaining and performing the surgery, give the patient's career? Not that she was entitled to better care, but while most people would give up their sense of smell and taste readily if it meant living, would a chef? Would the women have made a different choice or wanted another opinion before proceeding? Was this another case of arrogance on the part of the doctor? And isn't Hardin guilty of the same in convincing Tricia to have surgery?

On the Tina/Ty front, it looks like they are having an affair off-screen (or had?). Her "Honey" made me sit up in my seat. I know I don't call any of my colleagues 'honey'. ;p Still, it's being played as rather one sided. She used a term of endearment. She confessed to Sydney she may be in love with him. yet, we've seen no hints of affection from Ty. So, I'm getting an odd vibe from the 'relationship' right now.

Things that were awesome (not counting Jamie ;) - Buck and Sydney. OK, Buck wasn't awesome in the sense he is an awesome guy, but I just love what Bill Irwin is doing with the character. Buck barely registered as two dimensional on the page, but now I want to see more of himy. And he had the best speech from the podium. AND it made me think. I also think he was, genuinely, a tiny bit sorry for his behavior in front of the donor's mother.

And Sydney is just a hoot. Putting the doctor stuff aside, I feel I can identify with her the most of any of the characters. OK, it may be because I'm petite, opinionated and, occasionally, have a big mouth. ;D I also like her developing relationship with Dr. Lieberman. I'm actually feeling more chemistry between them then Tina and Ty right now.

Ok, I'm probably forgetting about stuff, but I have lunch to eat. Perhaps more later.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: February 12th, 2013 07:25 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I was feeling overly negative but you hit on most of the things I was having problems with. Especially the cringe inducing teaser and the abuse of power in the 13 year-old girl case.

I'm hoping that Tina is making sure Ty isn't getting anywhere near an operating room while having hallucinations!!! In a show that's all about neurosurgery doesn't hallucinating seem like a set up for him to have a brain tumor? Or at the minimum get checked out for one?

I had some issues with Tina's turn at the podium. It isn't just about Tina, prepping her for her deposition was a great idea but everyone there is supposed to be learning from the cases. So all the doctors were learning that letting a resident do something for the first time might get them in trouble. So that'd be less chances for the residents to learn and that they'd likely be less competent when they complete their residency.

I did find it funny that Tina's asking Sydney if it's too soon to date Dr. L after almost being engaged when she's married and (who knows what) with Ty. Sydney continues to be wonderful. Yelling at him to ask her out was kind of beautiful and any man who responds to that by asking her out is a perfect fit for her. He's just dorky enough. <3

Gato is like House, but with feelings. :-D I miss having House on my tv and this show is helping to fill that void. Villanueva with the brilliant and sort of off the wall deductions and Jamie as the scruffy Brit faking an American accent. But with the bonus of having all his hair, thank goodness for oatmeal. ;-)

Overall I think problems I had with the pilot aren't here. There's obviously not the crammed in feeling now that they've introduced everyone. Buck's oddness is dialed back and he's being more than just a foil. Jamie's accent isn't as mumbly. Tina had stuff to do that didn't feel tacked on. I think the show took a huge step in the right direction.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 12th, 2013 10:07 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Yeah, there's a lot of crossover in your takeaway from the episode and mine. ;) Particularly on the Tina and Buck storylines! And in generally agreeing that Sydney's awesome. ;) However...

- I don't think I had quite the same extreme reaction to the dream sequence as you did; yes, it's a device we have seen many times and it might have been handled differently. (What if Ty turned over to Hooten's desk and Quinn was sitting there in a little lab coat, JUDGING HIM. That would have been unexpected, no? ;) Yes, I'm goddamned serious.) I think the visceral nature of Jamie's performance there kept it afloat; like I mentioned above, the hallucination scene is more problematic for me.

- The shift in focus in Michelle & Tina's surgery case IS interesting, and I think encouraging in the way I indicated above that the show plans to really develop Michelle's character more. SPOILER if you haven't read the book!>>>>> In the book, Michelle is being set up to be dismissed at the end, which circles back to her being in a particular place at a particular time when something very bad happens (won't spoil that aspect, there's no need.) Anyway, obviously the show has no need to go there (at least not yet) so it's nice to see them revise the dilemma as needed.

- You actually make a good point that I didn't consider... maybe Ty and Tina did sleep together but called it off, and that's what she's referring to with Sydney? Either way, I'd argue the show *is* being coy about it. It does feel one-sided because Ty is dealing with his angst, but also... how much of Tina's behavior is a combination of her feelings for him plus her natural inclination to be that "umbrella" for everybody? I think the answer is somewhere in the middle.
kim_j_8472 From: kim_j_8472 Date: February 12th, 2013 10:24 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Ah, the difference between science and medicine. Such a real theme and in the second episode! I may have a different take on this since I do tend to like the DEK more than other writers/producers and that I'm going into medicine.

One parallel that I see here is between Park and Jerry from Boston Legal. It seems Hooten is treating Park's mangling of the English language like Asperger's Syndrome in the way that DEK did for Jerry in BL. There's not much time to fix (would you rather have your Asian doc take an ESL course or do life-saving procedures?), so there's a lot of managing the quirks that I can see in future eps. And that just makes the dynamic between Hooten/Park just that more interesting, potentially funny and surreal. You can tell that Park is learning how to treat his patients from this "ganging up" on Tricia and that's how I feel the scene works for me. It's making Park a better practitioner of medicine instead of just the science.

And the Buck storyline? As soon as I saw that patient pulling the middle finger, I said, "There you are DEK!" There's the dark humor I'm expecting. Yes, I adored that plotline because it revealed so much about character and how those doctors interact. What's interesting to see is that Buck treats the hospital like a battleground, where there's no time to be nice, tactful and have any respect for the dead. It's about survival of those organs. You leave the corpses behind. It's awful and yet, you fully understand both sides when it comes to protocol and in this case, practicing humanity.

So that leaves Ty's arc. Like all of you, I find this one problematic, but I can buy that surgeons can be haunted by particular cases. After my dad's surgery and death, we kept in touch with our surgeon, just because it had been such a battle against the cancer. I could tell it was uncomfortable for him, but he was also drawn to the case. I think the healing process for our family was helped to some degree by his keeping in touch for a short while after my dad passed. And now I'm pursuing medicine with his mentorship to some degree. So this stuff does happen, I suppose. I agree that the dream sequence is cliched, but I'm not against them pursuing this story arc. It depends on how complex it turns out to be, but if it's just something pedestrian, I would also hope they resolve it soon and help Ty move on. You have to admit, this level of angst is what we expected from Lee Adama episode to episode of BSG ;-)

Either way, I need this show, if only to keep me inspired during times I just want to throw in the towel and stop doing chemistry problems! :P
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2013 01:33 am (UTC) (Link Me)
And the Buck storyline? As soon as I saw that patient pulling the middle finger, I said, "There you are DEK!" There's the dark humor I'm expecting.

Yes! Me too! That was classic DEK. The whole scene reminded me of something we'd see on 'Ally McBeal' in it's less crazy moments. And I hope to see more of that. The moments of levity raise the show to whole different level.

Jamie + angst = good. :) And it's understandable Ty would be feeling guilt and second-guessing himself. It's just the hallucinations I thought went a step too far. Maybe they drop it after this week? *crosses fingers*
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zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 13th, 2013 05:41 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Thanks again for capping the episode, you are providing an incredibly useful service. :) (No damn time to do it myself anymore! {{{}}} )
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: February 13th, 2013 04:01 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Last to the party again, but never mind :}

The hallucination scene didn't really bother me, it seemed in keeping with Ty's frame of mind (and hey, it's tv after all), what bothered me was the fact that he freely admitted he was hallucinating. That struck me as a bit misplaced. Surely if he was sufficiently distressed to be imagining things, he wouldn't have been inclined to talk about it so casually? I thought the way Ty was lost for words in the scene where Tina cautioned him against contacting Quinn's mother was much more believable. Also that scene where he retreated to his office after Tina abandoned him in the corridor... *sniffle*

I also rather like the way Park's character is developing, I actually thought he came across as being very sympathetic despite the language barrier. His language skills might be lacking, but his empathy is perfectly communicated.

PS Am I the only one who found Trisha really rather insufferable?
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 13th, 2013 10:07 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Timing shmiming, you always bring good things to the party!!! :D

Surely if he was sufficiently distressed to be imagining things, he wouldn't have been inclined to talk about it so casually?

Yep, that moment seemed so much more casual than the closed-doors moment where he confesses to Tina that he called Quinn's mother. I agree that it might have made more sense for him to approach both confessions in a more distressed, under-the-radar fashion.

I found the actress to be quite good, but as noted some of the dialogue in that storyline - including a lot of hers - was awkward to me.
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