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"Monday Mornings" Episode 1x02 Discussion Thread: "Deus Ex Machina"
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onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: February 12th, 2013 07:25 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I was feeling overly negative but you hit on most of the things I was having problems with. Especially the cringe inducing teaser and the abuse of power in the 13 year-old girl case.

I'm hoping that Tina is making sure Ty isn't getting anywhere near an operating room while having hallucinations!!! In a show that's all about neurosurgery doesn't hallucinating seem like a set up for him to have a brain tumor? Or at the minimum get checked out for one?

I had some issues with Tina's turn at the podium. It isn't just about Tina, prepping her for her deposition was a great idea but everyone there is supposed to be learning from the cases. So all the doctors were learning that letting a resident do something for the first time might get them in trouble. So that'd be less chances for the residents to learn and that they'd likely be less competent when they complete their residency.

I did find it funny that Tina's asking Sydney if it's too soon to date Dr. L after almost being engaged when she's married and (who knows what) with Ty. Sydney continues to be wonderful. Yelling at him to ask her out was kind of beautiful and any man who responds to that by asking her out is a perfect fit for her. He's just dorky enough. <3

Gato is like House, but with feelings. :-D I miss having House on my tv and this show is helping to fill that void. Villanueva with the brilliant and sort of off the wall deductions and Jamie as the scruffy Brit faking an American accent. But with the bonus of having all his hair, thank goodness for oatmeal. ;-)

Overall I think problems I had with the pilot aren't here. There's obviously not the crammed in feeling now that they've introduced everyone. Buck's oddness is dialed back and he's being more than just a foil. Jamie's accent isn't as mumbly. Tina had stuff to do that didn't feel tacked on. I think the show took a huge step in the right direction.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 12th, 2013 10:22 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
OK, I'm going to get this out there in the hope that it jinxes it from actually happening! (False hope? Fuck it...)

In a show that's all about neurosurgery doesn't hallucinating seem like a set up for him to have a brain tumor? Or at the minimum get checked out for one?

In the book, one of the doctors does develop a brain tumor. It is NOT Ty. (I won't say who it is, because if it does happen in the show as it does in the book, it'd be spoilery to say the least.) Obviously, they could tweak the plotlines and give it to Ty instead but FOR CHRISSAKES, SHOW, NO. JUST NO. ;)
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: February 12th, 2013 10:46 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Yes. I didn't say anything about it because I didn't want to be spoilery but that's exactly what I was thinking. It would be a TOTALLY different story line with Ty vs. the character from the book. There really wouldn't be any good storytelling reasons for it beyond the shock value so I hope they wouldn't go that route.

Partly it was the girl, Trisha and how she said her mom made her get checked out because she heard God in a sonata. If that requires a check up I would think hallucinations would as well.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 13th, 2013 05:13 am (UTC) (Link Me)
There really wouldn't be any good storytelling reasons for it beyond the shock value so I hope they wouldn't go that route.

Completely agree. The context in which it is applied to the character in the book is very specific.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2013 01:12 am (UTC) (Link Me)
So all the doctors were learning that letting a resident do something for the first time might get them in trouble. So that'd be less chances for the residents to learn and that they'd likely be less competent when they complete their residency.

I didn't get that impression. I took it more as a criticism of Tina not doing *her* job, which was talking to the patient, thoroughly explaining the possible consequences of the surgery and obtaining consent, personally. This wasn't made clear, but I'm not sure residents, alone, can obtain consent for surgery. This may yet come up in the deposition. And while I think it was fine for Michelle to do the surgery (and CG is a teaching hospital), was Tina around to supervise? Could she have stepped in and prevented the nerve from being damaged? Could it have been a good teaching moment?

Yeah, there was a certain amount of hypocrisy in Tina wondering if Sydney was rushing into something with Lieberman while she is (likely) cheating on her husband. And if her marriage is bad, then end it. I've seen nothing thus far to make this infidelity acceptable.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 13th, 2013 05:22 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Back that up, though; is infidelity ever, in a real sense, acceptable? ;) No, particularly not when it drags on in secret forever, but people make questionable decisions all the time and it does make for good character drama. The challenge the show will have moving forward is to make us invested in what happens to Ty/Tina even if we might not approve of infidelity, or feel as though Tina's estrangement from her husband doesn't merit her sneaking around behind his back, or are actively rooting for them. Whatever the case may be. I would agree that up to now, that isn't quite where we're at yet for all the reasons already mentioned, and we do know from the cast's interviews that there won't be a huge amount of time dedicated to the ins and outs of relationships, but they *can* sell it. It's early days yet.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2013 01:14 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Actually, yes, there are instances I feel infidelity is acceptable or perhaps a better term would be understandable. If a spouse is in an abusive relationship and fears for their safety if they leave, and falls into an affair with someone they care about and vice versa, I would hope they'd get out of the marriage, but can understand why not and why they are doing what they are doing. Also, if the couple has an 'open marriage' and relationships outside the marriage are known and condoned by both, well, that's their business and not cheating in the widely accepted sense. I don't see DEK going with either of those scenarios. And, unless they suddenly introduce children, an argument can't even be made for Tina and her husband staying together for their sake. Granted, we've only had one brief scene of Tina and her husband, but what we saw struck me as a marriage where they've grown apart, are living separate lives and aren't really *in* love anymore. So why go through the motions? Why, if you think you're in love with another man, stay with your husband and be unhappy?

And I could go into a whole other rant that would involve bringing up BSG so I'll stop now. ;p
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 13th, 2013 10:02 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
If a couple has an open marriage, I wouldn't even consider outside partners to *be* infidelity. By the terms which two consenting spouses have chosen to define their marriage in that scenario, no one's being unfaithful. ;) Conversely, even though it's a dire truth that spousal abuse is socially acceptable in many cultures (even some corners of own), to my mind the very idea of it is akin to infidelity in the broader sense of the word (i.e. disloyalty, breach of trust); trusting or having faith in a partner who hits you is a complete anathema to me. So, casting the first stone n' all that...

What I'm trying to say is I'm with you on how one loves or is loved is, yes, totally their business and violence is NEVER okay. That said, even if such circumstances are not in play, plenty of people make lousy decisions that hurt rather than help their circumstances in a marriage; playing in that sandbox for dramatic effect in a show is not something I am compelled to write off unless it drags out too long or the characters aren't allowed to grow as a result.

(I brought it back round to topic, I did! ;) )
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