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"Monday Mornings" Episode 1x02 Discussion Thread: "Deus Ex Machina"
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kim_j_8472 From: kim_j_8472 Date: February 12th, 2013 10:24 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Ah, the difference between science and medicine. Such a real theme and in the second episode! I may have a different take on this since I do tend to like the DEK more than other writers/producers and that I'm going into medicine.

One parallel that I see here is between Park and Jerry from Boston Legal. It seems Hooten is treating Park's mangling of the English language like Asperger's Syndrome in the way that DEK did for Jerry in BL. There's not much time to fix (would you rather have your Asian doc take an ESL course or do life-saving procedures?), so there's a lot of managing the quirks that I can see in future eps. And that just makes the dynamic between Hooten/Park just that more interesting, potentially funny and surreal. You can tell that Park is learning how to treat his patients from this "ganging up" on Tricia and that's how I feel the scene works for me. It's making Park a better practitioner of medicine instead of just the science.

And the Buck storyline? As soon as I saw that patient pulling the middle finger, I said, "There you are DEK!" There's the dark humor I'm expecting. Yes, I adored that plotline because it revealed so much about character and how those doctors interact. What's interesting to see is that Buck treats the hospital like a battleground, where there's no time to be nice, tactful and have any respect for the dead. It's about survival of those organs. You leave the corpses behind. It's awful and yet, you fully understand both sides when it comes to protocol and in this case, practicing humanity.

So that leaves Ty's arc. Like all of you, I find this one problematic, but I can buy that surgeons can be haunted by particular cases. After my dad's surgery and death, we kept in touch with our surgeon, just because it had been such a battle against the cancer. I could tell it was uncomfortable for him, but he was also drawn to the case. I think the healing process for our family was helped to some degree by his keeping in touch for a short while after my dad passed. And now I'm pursuing medicine with his mentorship to some degree. So this stuff does happen, I suppose. I agree that the dream sequence is cliched, but I'm not against them pursuing this story arc. It depends on how complex it turns out to be, but if it's just something pedestrian, I would also hope they resolve it soon and help Ty move on. You have to admit, this level of angst is what we expected from Lee Adama episode to episode of BSG ;-)

Either way, I need this show, if only to keep me inspired during times I just want to throw in the towel and stop doing chemistry problems! :P
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2013 01:33 am (UTC) (Link Me)
And the Buck storyline? As soon as I saw that patient pulling the middle finger, I said, "There you are DEK!" There's the dark humor I'm expecting.

Yes! Me too! That was classic DEK. The whole scene reminded me of something we'd see on 'Ally McBeal' in it's less crazy moments. And I hope to see more of that. The moments of levity raise the show to whole different level.

Jamie + angst = good. :) And it's understandable Ty would be feeling guilt and second-guessing himself. It's just the hallucinations I thought went a step too far. Maybe they drop it after this week? *crosses fingers*
kim_j_8472 From: kim_j_8472 Date: February 13th, 2013 01:54 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Yeah, I don't like the hallucinations bit either. I've been sleep-deprived enough to have them once, but it's a bit over the top in this situation. And it's too early to put him on leave. Don't know what they're thinking. Walking wounded? Sounds familiar. ;-)

Why must they torture our baby?
asta77 From: asta77 Date: February 13th, 2013 02:02 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Why must they torture our baby?

And if he must be tortured with hallucinations could they at least involve a tall hot blonde in a slinky red dress? ;)
kim_j_8472 From: kim_j_8472 Date: February 13th, 2013 02:08 am (UTC) (Link Me)
That's the spirit! Is it too early to make gifs? :P
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: February 13th, 2013 05:36 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I do actually really like the idea you have there of comparing Park's bedside manner to Asperger's; I have a friend who has it and she struggles constantly with an unintentional perception that she is being uncaring or cold when she means nothing of the sort. This is kind of what I was going for in my comment; the nature of his dilemma and the way Hooten gets around it is totally worth exploring. Just that I would really love it if they be a mixed it up a little more with the words they give him to stumble over as learns the ways of "medicine" ;)

Yeah, the idea of Ty feeling emotionally attached to the Quinn case and needing closure isn't at all what I have a problem with. For the very reason, again, that while it is anxiety-inducing to think of the complications he might create legally (which Tina mentioned to him this week specifically; they WILL come back to that, I am sure) I believe like you do that it's within the realm of possibility. I'm not against them pursuing the story arc either, and since I read the book I was expecting them to do so. ;) It does make for a moral dilemma that from a dramatic standpoint is worth exploring. As written this week, though, IMO it feels as though the writers tried to really put Ty in a deep psychological conflict without a whole lot of screen time to finesse what's going on his head...so instead, we got something like the hallucination scene which IMO puts his competency into question beyond what is strictly necessary.

(I dont know if its the right time to invite BSG comparisons, either. It may never be; that was a show about an apocalypse, for a start, Angst was in its DNA. ;) )

Edited at 2013-02-13 05:36 am (UTC)
kim_j_8472 From: kim_j_8472 Date: February 13th, 2013 06:02 am (UTC) (Link Me)
The thing is that you can see Park's concern acutely. It just doesn't match up with the actual words he says; it must be so frustrating for him. Part of me yearns to have DEK just let him ramble off in Korean with subtitles so he can give voice to his frustration. FWIW, my son is diagnosed Asperger's and my husband is undiagnosed. So yeah, this stuff - I don't believe it's "curable." And anyway, I think doing so, if it were even possible, would change the essence of the persons themselves, a lot of which is positive. So yeah, I'm all about making sure people who communicate differently are accommodated. And if that means extra brainwork to find new and creative ways via the whole staff around Park, I'd love to see more of that. We'll see how creative DEK will be re teamwork. He was pretty good with Jerry on BL; that was a very poignant, albeit sometimes unintentionally hilarious character. But yeah, I do hope they don't make him into a caricature because he's non-White.

Re Ty's story arc, I think it will take a few more eps to figure out the rhythm of the show and how they tackle each character's conflicts (inner and outer). Park's conflict (that was only touched on in the pilot) is put to the fore in the 2nd epi. Maybe they're meting out Ty's over the next few. They've introduced a lot of heavy guilt; since there's the daddy issues, too. I think the reason why I make the BSG comparisons is because they're coming out the gate with Whump!Ty almost immediately and it just reminds me of the apocalyptic nature of BSG (at least on a small, character-centric scale; no other character is this personally flayed open for us during the pilot).

Oi. This show is making me nutso already lol.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: February 13th, 2013 04:11 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I have a son with Asperger's too and while there isn't anything that will make him like other people there ARE things that can grease the wheels of interaction. I'm kind of comfortable with the logical mindset of most autistics. "No do, dead." Seems to really sum the whole thing up nicely.

I wish Hooten was trying to teach Park these things instead of what feels like just poking at his flaws. Presumably Hooten agreed to hiring Park and knew what his language skills and beside manner were before he did. So...
kim_j_8472 From: kim_j_8472 Date: February 13th, 2013 10:56 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I agree with all your points and it's so nice to have a person "get" it from that perspective. :)

I came to this for the Bambini, but I think I might be staying partly due to how they develop Park.
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