'Monday Mornings' Episode Discussion Thread 1x05: "The Legend and the Fall" - Jamie Bamber News
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'Monday Mornings' Episode Discussion Thread 1x05: "The Legend and the Fall"
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onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: March 5th, 2013 04:08 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I don't know if I was just in the mood for it or what but I really enjoyed this episode. I'll try to come back in the morning with more thinky thoughts but I just had to put up that initial reaction. :-D
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 5th, 2013 04:36 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I am hearing this initial reaction from multiple sources so that is a great sign. ;) Haven't seen it yet myself, will soon!
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 5th, 2013 02:33 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I had a headache and was exhausted when I watched, yet I thought it was the most enjoyable episode yet! And I felt the show *might*, at last, be finding it's voice. I definitely saw more DEK touches. Still needs more Bamber though. ;) I'll have more deep thoughts later once the brain fog of the morning lifts.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: March 5th, 2013 03:55 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Heh, I watched while dealing with my first major sinus attack of the spring. Maybe pain makes the show more enjoyable. ;-)
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: March 5th, 2013 03:54 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I rewatched this morning so I could have something to say beyond just that I liked it.

HH throwing softballs makes the show so much easier to watch. Of course, seeing how he deals with a doctor he cares about makes all his other meanness reprehensible.

Gato telling Leiberman how Sydney feels about him was LOL funny. Any time Gato and Dr. Napur are together things are good. I also liked him calling HH on his softball with Dr. Wayne. He's the only one who can really get away with it.

Ty & Buck confronting HH was great. Ty's speech about what HH had taught him was so very Lee-ish. Though I wish they would have shown his face when he was giving it instead of his ass. Liked him calling HH out on his lashing out at Tina.

On the Ty and Tina front I may be even more confused than before. What their relationship is or what either of them want it to be is still fairly confusing but I guess that's not unlike life. It almost felt like Ty wanted to be more of the reason why she and her husband broke up.

I liked Michelle and her swimmer patient. I loved it when she said they should call House!

And Sung forcing his team to show respect for Dr. Wayne was perfect. <3
kim_j_8472 From: kim_j_8472 Date: March 5th, 2013 04:25 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
It almost felt like Ty wanted to be more of the reason why she and her husband broke up.

It came off like that to me, too. The thing I worry about is that it's hard to play a marginal character - a person who has contradictory views (i.e., he's a saver of lives but has no qualms about breaking up a marriage if he wants someone). He'd have to be oozing with charm and he's just written too serious for that now. I'd love for Ty to be even less like Lee and for DEK to give him more layers than Jamie's had before, but it has to be set up right. Ty is no playboy type (from what we've seen) so I'm often left going "Huh?" after he does a personal scene with Tina.

I loved it when she said they should call House!

Is Gato's nickname "The Cat," too? Is that in the book?

And Sung forcing his team to show respect for Dr. Wayne was perfect.

This is what I hoped for when they offer an East Asian male doctor character that isn't fully Westernized. The aspect of "saving face" is a real benefit in this setting; something I wish TV explored more of instead of pulling out the usual Asian tropes for laughs.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: March 5th, 2013 04:43 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
So I wondered does Ty want to be the catalyst because he wants to be with Tina or just for his own ego or...

Gato is his nickname or I guess in the book it said his full nickname was El Gato Grande which is Spanish for The Big Cat. So any variations on that in Spanish or English will do.

I liked that bit with Sung. He can appear to be unfeeling but here in this case he was the most feeling. It isn't that he doesn't care it's just that he might care about different things than others do.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 6th, 2013 04:13 am (UTC) (Link Me)
So I wondered does Ty want to be the catalyst because he wants to be with Tina or just for his own ego or...

The way it came across to me in Jamie's line reading, it was definitely a case of Ty sincerely wanting to be the catalyst. Which I think, again, speaks to something the show isn't really conveying very well but I think is there in the writers room and in the way Jamie is approaching the part, which is that Ty frequently has issues conveying his emotions. Maybe up to this point, for one reason or another, he hasn't really made it clear at all to Tina that he might be feeling that way; maybe that is part of what Hooten was getting at last week about Ty's major focus being on surgery to the degree that even if he *does* have feelings for her, he won't always reciprocate them in the way she'd like. And now, while he does first and foremost want to be someone she can lean on, he might be confronting how he really feels about her and is trying to get that across.

Again, overall I feel like they are backing into the writing of this relationship and I really don't understand quite why it needs to be so tentative. There are a lot of shades of gray for telly lovers in between what we have right now and "bonking like rabbits constantly" - I really think they should have gone for a deeper shade if not, erm, rabbit shade. ;)

Edited at 2013-03-06 04:14 am (UTC)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 6th, 2013 04:49 am (UTC) (Link Me)
In the first four episodes we saw Tina struggle with a failing marriage and declaring, twice, she may be in love with Ty, yet all we saw from Ty is 'If you need a friend, I'm here'. So, to see him have a desire to be the catalyst for the marriage dissolving was head scratching to me. Especially since, from what we have seen of Ty, he doesn't come across as just some asshole who'd have his ego boosted by breaking up a marriage. I felt Hooten was right in telling Tina whatever she had with Ty was one sided, in large part to work being the most important thing in his life, and Jamie has thus far played Ty's feelings that way. At this point, I think the relationship is supposed to be a complicated one, but DEK & Co. are misguided in believing they can convey that simply by making everything vague. If Ty and Tina had chemistry, I'd likely be invested in sussing out what is going on with the relationship, but I'm mostly annoyed and want them both to move on.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 6th, 2013 03:22 am (UTC) (Link Me)
You know, I have to say I would have liked the Gato plays matchmaker (awkward!) scene a lot better if it hadn't been for the "you come off better when you are quiet" line. Again, probably not the effect they were going for but that had an icky "the feisty woman needs to shut up" element that I think could have been fixed if Sydney hadn't been so mortified. I kind of wanted to see Sarayu leap off the wall and start jabbing her finger in his face. XD Isn't her feistiness the reason Lieberman likes her in the first place?! Pfft. Go home, Gato, you're drunk. (OK, not yet, but you will be later. LOL. Cuba Librrreeeeees...)

Agree 100% about the Sung/Wayne and the team moment; I think your comment below about demonstrating the ways in which he cares is spot on.

Edited at 2013-03-06 04:53 am (UTC)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 6th, 2013 04:58 am (UTC) (Link Me)
You know, I have to say I would have liked the Gato plays matchmaker (awkward!) scene a lot better if it hadn't been for the "you come off better when you are quiet" line. Again, probably not the effect they were going for but that had an icky "the feisty woman needs to shut up" element that I think could have been fixed if Sydney hadn't been so mortified.

THIS. The part where Gato roll played Sydney and told Lieberman how 'she' feels (and Jonathan's awesome horrified reaction) was funny, but telling a woman she comes off better when she's quiet? Oh, Hell No. And I must admit, I identify with Sydney on many levels. Including I can sometimes ramble on to the point of 'OMG, did I just say that???' But the way it came off was Gato schooling her on how to behave, especially if she wants to keep a man. GRRRRR. I'm getting angry again just replaying it in my head and discussing it here.
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: March 6th, 2013 02:37 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
There's honestly so much misogyny in this show that I would normally drop it. In fact I've considered doing so even with all it has going for it and the fact that it's such a short season. The only reason I watched this week was that there was the carrot of Ioan on a future ep.

I don't feel like this attitude was in the book so I'm guessing it comes from DEK. I don't know much about him and haven't watched any of his shows (except Ally) from watching this show I feel like I wouldn't like this guy. Frankly, my opinions of everyone involved in the project has gone down a little bit.
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