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'Monday Mornings' Episode Discussion Thread 1x05: "The Legend and the Fall"
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asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 5th, 2013 03:31 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I was SO THANKFUL we dealt with no legal issues/lawyers this week. It's probably no coincidence I found the flow and pacing of the show much improved.

The entire date, including another near fatality interrupting dinner, screamed DEK to me. While I thought a discussion about political correctness could be interesting, it did veer into some weird territory. Was he trying to say Asperger's was being over diagnosed? Or that people were looking for a diagnosis in order to explain things about themselves (which reminds me of Community creator's Dan Harmon's self-diagnosis that he uses to explain/excuse some of his personality traits)? This was another instance of what I think DEK & Co. intended came off poorly in execution.

I'm glad also to see Ty come out and call Hooten out on the carpet about what he did to Tina last episode re the interrogation on her marriage.

That was one of my favorite moments of the episode. I was getting angrier and angrier with Hooten and his unwillingness to judge his mentor as he judges EVERYONE else. So, Ty calling him on his hypocrisy was great. :) And, as you said, the moment helped to further develop Ty, who still seems to be lacking in character development.
kim_j_8472 From: kim_j_8472 Date: March 5th, 2013 10:30 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
the moment helped to further develop Ty, who still seems to be lacking in character development.

What happened to follow-up with Ty's phone call to Quinn's mom? It's weird to just drop a storyline like that.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 6th, 2013 01:10 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I still have yet to add my comments on the episode (I will when I get home!!) but to address your question in as spoiler-free a way possible:

This storyline does have a considerable progression in the book. How far it will be in the show (and in what direction they take it) remains to be seen, however it is not really a spoiler (we ran the news a while back) that Tara Summers was announced as recurring some time ago. I have a feeling that constitutes more than just Alison's brief appearance in Episode 2, so I would expect her to be back at some point. I do agree, though, that dropping it entirely (besides Ty mentioning it in passing last night), only to pick it up several episodes later seems stilted. The best way I can think to make it work would be if Ty hung up on Alison the first time he called, then talked to Tina about it, she discouraged him from contact... but he will change his mind later and go through with it after all. Only that isn't what happened...

Edited at 2013-03-06 01:13 am (UTC)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 6th, 2013 05:05 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I've been wondering what happened, not only with Quinn's mom, but Ty dealing with Quinn's death. Both plot points seemed to have been dropped after the second episode. And Tara Summers was supposed to be reoccurring. If Alison and Ty suddenly are meeting for coffee later it's going to seem odd and practically out of nowhere.
kim_j_8472 From: kim_j_8472 Date: March 6th, 2013 05:40 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Guys, I don't know. It's like they missed their window and have to land in White Sands, New Mexico (bad Spacecamp reference, sorry).

It feels like it's too late to go back to that storyline because I don't see any continuation of the Ty angst we saw before. It's like he just got hit on the head and forgot about it. Those are the moments when I want to shake my TV screen.

Edited at 2013-03-06 05:41 am (UTC)
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: March 6th, 2013 02:26 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
It's so far from the event that I was talking with someone else and we were wondering if they decided against it and cut the Tara Summers parts. They'd have to really reach to reintroduce it at this point. But there was a lot of talk in interviews about how the focus wasn't on who was sleeping with whom. So if they cut back on the Ty/Tina and they pretty much cut out Ty/Alison then maybe that's why we've been so Ty lite.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 6th, 2013 03:45 am (UTC) (Link Me)
And, as you said, the moment helped to further develop Ty, who still seems to be lacking in character development.

Not exaggerating, I leaned forward with a big shit-eating grin on my face during that scene. Not just because Hooten needed to have it spelled out for him (preferably by someone other than Buck, who he clearly finds all too easy to write off as a busybody)... but because Jamie finally had a really meaty bit of script to chew on, and he was SO fucking good in that moment! Look, I get it, it is an ensemble... there were plenty of episodes in BSG where Lee didn't have much to do, either. But this early on, I do agree that they could stand to dig a lot deeper with Ty. As you noted before (which I agree with), we should have gotten to know him a little better before the Quinn calamity hit. I so wish he had been the primary focus of the pilot, and that we had fewer plot strands to juggle every week. *sigh*

But I DID LIKE THIS EPISODE. Much much better than last week. :)

Edited at 2013-03-06 03:45 am (UTC)
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