'Monday Mornings' Episode Discussion Thread 1x07: "One Fine Day" - Jamie Bamber News
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'Monday Mornings' Episode Discussion Thread 1x07: "One Fine Day"

In keeping with the "getting this post up before I jam home through a Monday commute and try to get settled in time for the LIVE TWEETING, waheeyyyyy!" theme of late - here's your discussion thread for Monday Mornings Episode 7! Which is where this pic (above) is actually from! And for which Jamie and Jen will again be live-tweeting at 7P Pacific / 10P Eastern during the East Coast feed; Sarayu's gonna handle the West Coast feed again at 10P. There's all kinds of action they're teasing already ;) so fingers crossed it'll be a fun night; head back here and post your comments afterward! (p.s. for kim_j_8472's benefit: It's the Mario Van Peebles-directed episode!)

In the meantime, 411 Mania posted a pretty great interview with Jamie that includes some discussion of what's coming up on the show, including Ioan Gruffudd's guest spot (which is NEXT WEEK *flaaaaail!*) and more. Well worth a read. (Also I think we've lost count of every time he's brought up the superiority of the U.S. catering on set. *chortle* You're adorable, dude.)

Also in the news today: Jamie's verified on Twitter. What's the social media version of the Mexican wave? Everybody do that. ;)

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asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 18th, 2013 11:49 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Honestly, it's to the point that every time he's asked the question about the differences between UK and US TV production, before I read the answer, I start chanting, "Please say catering. Please say catering..." ;p

Also, ONE WEEK TO THE HORNBLOWER REUNION!!! \O/

Edited at 2013-03-18 11:50 pm (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 19th, 2013 04:56 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Dammit, looks like I am going to have to wait until tomorrow to properly comment because I need to rewatch before I do, and that's not gonna happen tonight. Bah!

I will throw this out there for discussion though - Tonight was SUCH a 180 for Ty/Tina, and I have some issues with that though overall I really rather loved this episode. asta77 have discussed this and we don't quite see eye to eye on all points; basically, I feel that the way the relationship has been scripted up until now is the issue, I think Jamie & Jen are giving it 110%. I would not be surprised if in their heads as they are going into any scene, they know the whole genesis of the Ty/Tina relationship; we just haven't really been privy to it as viewers yet. And conceptually anyway, for me, a slow burn is fine but again I feel like we just went from 0 to 60. And what's bugging me the most is that if they had made ONE adjustment to the pilot, one tiny scene that would have given them a moment of tenderness, I feel like it would have helped so much to establish them as a couple! (I know just how I would have written it and where it goes in the pilot, too. Sound of teeth gnashing. ;) )

More later after I have given it a second look see...

Edited at 2013-03-19 05:00 am (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 20th, 2013 03:37 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Okay, further thoughts...

The flow of the episode is what I really loved; the fact that Sydney's plotline with the baby was tied in with Ty/Tina from the very start (on the phone) and then once the Afghanistan save was over, all three came together on the baby's surgery. The whole thing came together quite satisfyingly, so that it really felt like a proper A-plot, while Park/Gato was the B-plot. For the first time, I didn't feel like the show was jumping through hoops to resolve too many plotlines in one hour at the expense of character development. And that was a GREAT feeling.

It only occurred to me on second watch: Corpsman Gold in this? Is basically Ishay in Kerry's first appearance in BSG. Today you're a DOCTOR, dude. Awwww. Mah heart. <3

First slo-mo in some time that didn't make me think "not strictly necessary" because, let's be honest, surgeons-as-gunslingers bad-assing into the OR was kind of fabulous. (I told myself I wouldn't engage in too much self-indulgent Twitter squee because, why... but I may have tweeted a Sergio Leone reference at Jamie, Jen and Sarayu, which Jamie bounced back with "Spaghetti Surgical??" And then the frustrated film school nerd in me DIED. ;) Died so hard. I am actually dead now.)

Park/Gato was so, so hard to watch at times, but also one of the better plotlines of the season so far. Keong continues to be tremendous. The actress who played Carol was OUTSTANDING, really engaging, alternately tough and heartbreaking. Also really appreciated that they did a callback to last week in Gato's moment with Carol.

Torn in two directions on my "must be in every episode" requests from last week - YAY for more Valerie Mahaffey! (Between her on this and me watching West Wing episodes with Adam Arkin recently, MAN I need to see Northern Exposure again soon!) But booooo to not having the bar coda at the end. I really really wanted to see them ALL at the bar after the lovely end of the 311 scene celebrating, with a damn montage of everyone buying Ty a round all night long. Hee. Though admittedly, the last scene was sweet. If a bit cryptic as everyone has pointed out for where exactly they're going to go with Ty's reaction to Tina's joyous baby-cradling. (You can absolutely interpret that multiple ways, and for once I think that is a GOOD thing and not a case of the show being too obtuse or witholding on the character beats. Big ups to Himself for delivering in that tiny moment, too.)

Big question I forgot to ask someone last night though - what was Bill Irwin working on when this was shot that they had to write out Buck as being on leave?! Heh. Curious now.


Edited at 2013-03-20 04:18 am (UTC)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 20th, 2013 11:25 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Even though we had three cases again this week, I agree, the writers did a much better job of tying them together and I felt all got adequate time. It may have helped that the baby storyline didn't create any moral or legal issues to be explored. Her development have been severely inhibited before she eventually died. There really wasn't much to think about or discuss.

Keong has been quite the discovery. Park could have easily been a stereotype, but he's given the character such depth. I'm also feeling that Park's 'broken English' is less broken and more an extension of a man, even in his native language, who would use few words. My one disappointment is that we weren't able to see him reason with the sister and make her come around. I feel he's capable of it. And we could use a change from Gato coming in to save the day each week.

Also, could Sydney go out just once and not find a patient??? ;)

Without question, we needed to see Ty and Tina in a more intimate, though not necessarily physical, way previously. We spent weeks trying to figure out if ANYTHING was going on between them and then I assumed they MAYBE had a fling. But now it looks like they have been having an affair for awhile. I think. It could have started after her marriage ended. GRRRR. I don't need everything spelled out, but the vagueness here is ridiculous! Also, sexy shower scene should be sexy and it's not when it comes out of nowhere like that. It was the first time we saw them kiss!
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 21st, 2013 12:37 am (UTC) (Link Me)
And we could use a change from Gato coming in to save the day each week.

That was my feeling initially, too. It's only the callback I mentioned before that changed my mind, because I feel like the show could really stand to do more callback-ing and enriching the season-long character arcs in that way.

It was the first time we saw them kiss!

Did I mention the scene I would have written into the pilot? It would have involved a kiss. ;) And not much more, but IT'S IMPORTANT, PEOPLE.

(Frankly, I wouldn't go so far as to call the shower scene unsexy, because DAYUM... but it definitely lost a lot of its potential impact because of how quickly they accelerated Ty/Tina's level of affection after withholding SO much for so long.)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 20th, 2013 03:48 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Also, with respect to Tumblr user "theonewiththevows" who I yoinked this from... I'm just going to leave this here. Because GUH.

From: (Anonymous) Date: March 23rd, 2013 12:42 am (UTC) (Link Me)

pics

love the pics want to look at them over and over..............
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: March 19th, 2013 01:58 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I think I really enjoyed this episode. Yes, there was more Jamie and that certainly didn't hurt but I think the real key is how much of a *&^%#@! HH is being in each episode. He didn't have too much to be a jerk over in this one and when he just pulled at whatever the hell he felt like Ty pushed back. (I might've screamed with joy at that bit).

There was a lot of feel-goodiness. With the soldiers and the baby and the husband who didn't have rights in the state. I think most people would be likely to have a positive emotional reaction to at least *one* of those!

I agree that the T/T stuff is still being oddly written. In a show that's had problems with telling not showing they told us (via HH and Gato) that Ty wasn't as into Tina as Tina was into Ty. But since then Ty has repeatedly showed us that he's sort of more into her. It's all confusing. I do tend to be somewhat literal but I don't need everything spelled out. This just feels like they're being oblique for the sake of being oblique and I really hate that. It's reallyreallyreally hard to pull off well and this proves it.

But just a quick handwave at how the relationship has been handled and I can get back on the positive track that this was a really nice ep.

Oh and, knowing that IG would be guesting next week made me even more annoyed than usual that there was no, "Next week on Monday Mornings" trailer. But still -- squee.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 20th, 2013 03:24 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Ty pushed back. (I might've screamed with joy at that bit).

Loved. Loved that after the one-two punch of his accomplishments on that day, Ty was in the perfect headspace to just not budge one goddamn inch when Hooten started in on him. It was a nice contrast to the reveal which was Hooten basically pulling a big fat "Psych! Ya done good, kid" on him, but it was still satisfying to watch. ;)

I absolutely don't need everything spelled out, either; I enjoy it immensely when a show makes me think and draw my own conclusions, in fact it's preferable. However I think the "telling and not showing" issue we've been bringing up over and over again is not at all about the show needing to be more literal, but demonstrating more firmly that it knows the dynamics of its own characters. The issue with Ty/Tina before tonight has been that in what I am sure was intended to be a slow burn has come off as more vague than anything, and in a way that undermined what Jamie & Jen are bringing to the table. What was SO nice about tonight was not the long-overdue tenderness or the showery snogging sexytimes (though that wasn't half bad, was it? ;)) - it was that this particular episode felt assured in where the relationship stands and we could get on with seeing them both as a couple AND as colleagues. The way the two pinged off each other accomplishing that remote surgery was quite nicely handled by all parties. *golf claps of approval*
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 20th, 2013 11:33 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
This just feels like they're being oblique for the sake of being oblique and I really hate that.

Well said. I would have loved to have been in the writers room when they were discussing how (or how not to) develop the Ty/Tina relationship onscreen. I'm having Lee/Dee flashbacks and, I can;t believe I'm saying this, but that relationship was better developed in comparison!

Was THRILLED Ty pushed back. While I do feel Hooten has a right to be concerned as to how personal relationships could effect their work (they do have people's lives in their hands), bringing the topic up in the 311 I find totally inappropriate (and rage inducing). They could go to hospital lawyer and board and ask he be reprimanded/removed.
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: March 19th, 2013 10:19 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Disaster! The internet fairies have deserted us! No Monday Mornings this week *sniffle* Added to which, I will be away next week when IG's guest spot airs :'(

Edited at 2013-03-19 10:21 pm (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 19th, 2013 10:21 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
*cuddles you* Johnny Internets, he is a cruel shitbag sometimes, is he not? :/

EDIT: Aw, no, double burns! How long are you gone?

Edited at 2013-03-19 10:25 pm (UTC)
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: March 19th, 2013 10:40 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Think I may just have found another fairy..... ;)

Aw, no, double burns! How long are you gone?
Tell me about it! I'm only away for two days but it'll probably be Thursday before I have chance to watch. Dammit.
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: March 19th, 2013 11:44 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Success! Glad I made the effort to track this down. I thought is was a much better episode than last week, and not just because of Commando Ty ;)

I though the individual plot lines were much better resolved which helped a lot. Some of the camera tricks made me wince a little, particularly the slo mo, but I can let that pass. HH still comes across as an egotistical bully so it was good to see him called out on that.

Tina and Ty's relationship is still a bit perplexing, though I thought it worked better this week as it was presented in a sort of matter of fact kind of way. I could almost start to believe that there's some sort of real relationship there. Was it just me, or was that a rather troubled / ambiguous look Ty gave Tina at the end though? Intriguing...
leakypaintpen From: leakypaintpen Date: March 20th, 2013 12:37 am (UTC) (Link Me)
The shower scene was nicely done, though the whole time I was hoping it'd pan a bit lower. Just a smidge. But if that were the case, Jamie's tweet about his kids watching might've wound up quite different.

Re: HH as a bully - I'm starting to see him as a tough-love sort of parent to the doctors, of an extreme variety. He goes out of his way to take their egos down a notch as he grills them, which is infuriating at the time, but looking back at those moments you can see he's has a point that they can reflect on once they calm down afterwards, and keep in mind the next time they walk into the operating room. It doesn't excuse him - I think he goes too far at times - but I can understand where he's coming from, having been on the receiving end of such behavior in the past.

As for Ty/Tina and the look at the end, I was reading it as a moment when a man realizes there's a side to woman he's not seen before as she's holding a baby. Kinda cliche, but maybe it'll build to something later? I've not read the book, so we'll see.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 20th, 2013 03:26 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Re: your Hooten comments, I agree. He does still push the envelope too far to the point where you want to throttle him. (Yoink that bow tie a little too hard... WHOOPS. ;) ) And it's a credit to Fred being the legend that he is that he isn't so infuriating I want to throw things at the TV! But he is absolutely a tough-love dad. (I still say Gato is the mom, too. Bwah.)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 20th, 2013 11:41 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Was it just me, or was that a rather troubled / ambiguous look Ty gave Tina at the end though? Intriguing...

Not just you! We've had two episodes in which people have told Tina that, essentially, he just wasn't as in to her and was never going to be. And while I know a desire to hold an adorable baby does not equal wanting to have one, she did seem happy and comfortable holding the baby. And Ty seeing her as a mom (and she'd likely would have to start thinking of starting a family soon) made him contemplate they may not be envisioning the same future and will have to have a serious discussion at some point.
Physha1 From: Physha1 Date: March 20th, 2013 11:58 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Been out of town for a week, and came home to a new look. Love it!
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 21st, 2013 03:20 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Thank You! :)
Physha1 From: Physha1 Date: March 22nd, 2013 01:34 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Wish I hadn't read the tweet about the shower scene before watching. Felt like I was watching it with three little girls. Kind of ruined it for me. Note to self: Read tweets post-viewing

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