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"Monday Mornings" Episode 1x08 Discussion Thread: "Truth or Consequences" (As Well As Other Stuff :)
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zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 26th, 2013 04:01 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Okay, I need to watch the ep again (shortly) giving it my full attention (it was my dinnertime!) before I actually comment. A LOT to say tonight. (EDIT: Okay, since asta77 hit on most of the points I was going to, I just replied to her with my comments. Two of them. Don't start. ;) )

But given where the Ty/Tina storyline went tonight, I can't hold off on this anymore. The idea I had for a scene in the pilot that would have really helped establish them as a couple keeps needling at my grey matter so I'm just going to post it; I didn't want to foist it on anyone who may not give a shit, but hey, maybe one or two of you will think it's not half bad. *shrug* Here goes...

Basically, it would land between Tina looking on as Ty consoles Quinn's mother and Tina arriving at home. At the end of their shifts, in the hospital parking structure Tina is walking to her car and fumbling in her purse for her keys, so she's not looking at her car; once she gets there, at first she startles not knowing who it is and then realizes it's Ty leaning against her driver's side door. It's the corner of the parking structure, it's dark... no one else around, they are relatively shielded from the gossip and the suspicious glances and what not. As Tina approaches Ty, he tries to hold it together but, in this situation where it's well and truly just the two of them, he begins to sob. She chucks her purse onto the hood of the car and throws her arms around him and holds him, and eventually puts her hands on his face and plants a big ol' huge kiss on him. Not a "sexytimes are imminent" huge kiss, but definitely a romantic "I love you, I'm here for you, it's going to be OK" kiss. A kiss that lingers, at least for a beat or two until the scene ends and immediately cuts to Tina pulling into her driveway. And it's important to note that in the scene I'm suggesting, though Ty would cry, Tina would not; she'd toughen up and be Tina and be strong for him, which would allow for the moment at the refrigerator in her kitchen when Mark is not looking and she *does* allow herself to cry to remain important.

There, I'm glad I got that off my chest. ;) What would they have had to cut to squeeze that in? I don't know, but IMO between some of the lingering slo mo shots and a few other bits and bobs I'm pretty convinced they could have snipped here and there to accommodate that kind of a moment. And in retrospect... mightn't it have calibrated our emotions a little differently?

Edited at 2013-03-26 06:19 am (UTC)
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: March 29th, 2013 12:28 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Yes! Definitely! A scene along these lines would have made all the difference and gone a long way to establishing some kind of believable intimacy between them. They way they interact at the moment reminds me more of two people who are trying to get it together but don't know how to make the first move. There's an awkwardness to their relationship that doesn't suggest that they have been intimate for over a year.

And while I'm at it...we keep getting told that Ty is allegedly a big hot shot arrogant surgeon but so far he comes across as the most modest of the lot of them! All the others seem infinitely more confident than he does. I think that's primarily due to the early introduction of the Quinn case but, it's still rather annoying, which is a shame really because I think the hesitancy that Jamie brings to the character give Ty real depth.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 30th, 2013 03:22 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Thanks ma'am. :) I'm glad you liked it; and you are spot on, too. I think the awkwardness to some degree is there in the script and in their performances because of the hurdles they've been thrown that we have seen, Tina being served with divorce papers, Hooten dragging their affair out into the spotlight, etc. And perhaps some of that should be there, but without a contextual element of seeing them interact the way they have for, as we have now learned, months and months before we met them... it's lacking that anchor.

And I agree, I LOVE that hesitancy and thoughtfulness that Jamie employs in a lot of moments, which I think speaks to the sort of "zen master surgeon" aspect of his character, heh. ;) Which is also in the book! And that could be balanced more often by the cocky side of Ty, which I'd love it if the show rolled out more often. MORE of him flat-out shutting down Hooten's poking and prodding. More of that, for damn sure.
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: March 30th, 2013 05:57 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
without a contextual element of seeing them interact the way they have for, as we have now learned, months and months before we met them... it's lacking that anchor
Agreed. It's also really hard to judge how committed they are to each other. Sometimes Tina seems more committed, sometimes Ty. Mind you, I suppose that's the way real relationships work. I certainly don't object to ambiguity in onscreen relationships but it's a bit frustrating when that ambiguity results from poor scripting.

And that could be balanced more often by the cocky side of Ty, which I'd love it if the show rolled out more often.
Oh yes, definitely!
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 30th, 2013 03:59 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I can't recall if this has been mentioned before, but in the original pilot script there was a scene between Ty and Tina in which clothes were coming off and it was made clear EXACTLY what was going on between the two. ;) I get why that scene was ultimately cut. DEK, Jamie and others have made it clear they did not want MM to be seen as Grey's Anatomy 2.0 and, yeah, Ty/Tina going at it so soon might make it appear as if they are going for a totally different tone. But as scene as you describe would have worked SO WELL in telling us that, yes, there is a relationship and they care about each other, but, no, this is NOT the focus of the show.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 30th, 2013 04:09 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Yep, I recall hearing that as well. And I totally agree - sure, if that original scene is not the tone that they they decided they wanted the show to have, it's fine. They definitely dialed it back waaaay too far, though; just a smidgen of affection to place Ty/Tina in clear context upfront, all I'd ask. (And thanks. :D)
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