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"Monday Mornings" Episode 1x08 Discussion Thread: "Truth or Consequences" (As Well As Other Stuff :)
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asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 26th, 2013 04:18 am (UTC) (Link Me)
OK, I confess to audibly squeeing when Jamie walked past Ioan. :) Unfortunately, that's the only time we got to see the two together. I feared that may happen (though we did get the "Captain of the Ship Doctrine" inside joke).

While were deprived of Jamie/Ioan interaction, what a great part for Ioan! I had also feared Dr. Delaney would be little more than a glorified cameo, but it was a complex role and Ioan was terrific in it. He also looked pretty good in the scrubs. And the grey shirt/tie combo. OK, let's just say he looked GOOD. ;) But, seriously, I think he got more to do emotionally in just this one guest spot than he got all last season on Ringer and it was a joy to see. And if we are lucky enough to get a second season, I really hope Dr. Delaney can come back from LA for a consult with Ty. Michelle would certainly be happy to see him. So, just how many relationships are going on off screen at Chelsea General???

I was also thrilled Jamie had a sizable part in this weeks episode. While I thought Mark suing him was ridiculous (and question whether it would hold up in court), I could rationalize that Mark is an angry husband and way too many nuisance suits are filed nowadays. Throw in a little 'made for TV drama' and I was actually OK with the storyline.

The bigger problem is one that is impossible to rectify at this point - Ty and Tina's mess of a relationship. Not that the relationship itself is a mess, but how it was (or wasn't) depicted on screen. Last week was our first opportunity to see them as a couple and now were told they've been involved for a year. And while I can understand Ty feeling guilty for not feeling guilty earlier when he didn't consider how his actions affected Mark and Tina, his 'I want this to mean something' seemed like too much of a knee-jerk reaction. Maybe it's supposed to come off that way. But given how little we've seen of them as a couple (and his slightly scared, imho, reaction to seeing Tina with a baby last week), it's hard to judge if that's the correct interpretation or we are to believe he wants a long term relationship with her.

Putting aside the lingering Ty/Tina relationship issues, it hit me that my bigger problem is Hooten and the 311 meetings. I know it's important doctors be called on their errors, but there is a fine line between being the stern father figure and demeaning and belittling your doctors and I feel he crosses the line regularly. At this point I'm not sure Tina wouldn't have cause to sue Hooten. Unless Hooten is being set up for a fall himself, I can't fathom watching this behavior week in and week out indefinitely.

As for everyone else, loved them! Park shutting down Ty ("No Hey. No Hi."). Buck being Buck and trolling the operating room for potential organ harvesting. And it was great to see Gato in the operating room rather than teaching a life lesson.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 26th, 2013 06:05 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Unfortunately, that's the only time we got to see the two together.

And it was shot in such a way that they are just BARELY outside the frame from one another and I couldn't get one damn screencap. I may have pulled this face as a result ;) -



Ioan was absolutely FANTASTIC. And I agree, there was a terrific amount for him to do for a guest shot AND one that had two other plots to wrestle for screen time with. And I'm glad you pointed this out...

So, just how many relationships are going on off screen at Chelsea General???

Because I think this was actually one of my favorite aspects of this episode, which is the fact that you could link this directly into what Ty says in the deposition that opens the floodgates on the hospital lawsuit. Yes, it happens A LOT... with different angles, for different reasons, but because these people basically see each other all day every day it does happen with perhaps more frequency than in many other professions. Michelle and Stewart are at the beginning of what could have potentially developed into something more lasting under other circumstances. (Bummmmmmmmmmer, man. For real. SO GUTTED for you, girl. ;) )

I agree on the points about Mark being an angry husband and the nuisance lawsuits, although I do still wish that, again, there had been a bit of stronger character development up front which might have kept Mark from coming off quite so sour and snotty *all* the time. It made total sense for him to be so tonight, for sure, but it would have been nice to spin him a little differently in the beginning so that both angles of this battle might feel as though they had equal weight; as it is, though I grasp all of the unpleasant moral implications of what Ty and Tina have done, I have virtually no sympathy for Mark at this point.

Now, of course - see above for my issues-with-Ty-and-Tina's-back-story purge. ;) A year did seem like a VERY long time in light of where we have been with them so far. And in fact even though I knew that Ty was going to bottle up and refuse to give Smugface McShysterbollocks (Anthony Heald could seriously market his own brand of ham!) the satisfaction of waltzing him through their history as a couple (and Jamie was VERY good navigating Ty's roller coaster tonight), I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a part of me that dickbag lawyers be damned, I DID want to hear him spell out for us! No, really, Ty... how DID you guys meet?! Did she make the first move or did you? Want me to kick the shitheads out of the room so you can just tell *us*, because I will. ;)
I found it interesting that in Jen's interview, she made mention of how fans felt "relieved" to see them in an affectionate context last week because the first thing that popped into my head was "Girrrl, you have no idea... AND YET." Also I'm glad I went on record last week saying that Jamie's reaction shot to Tina holding the baby could be read a few different ways; while I do agree you absolutely could interpret it as Ty feeling a bit startled/nervous, I think one could also interpret it as him being startled by exactly how strong his emotions were for her in that moment. Does it strictly imply that he wants marriage and a baby, with her, SOON?... absofuckinglutely not. :) But I think he's feeling as though he does have a certain degree of affection for her that maybe he hasn't had for his previous relationships, and he is game to see where that goes. How long is long term is up in the air, but he's down for it if she is. Now.... will she be? That remains in question. And yes, I would feel much, MUCH more strongly about this if the show had not played so coy with them for the first half of the season. Once again, I am not arguing for a fundamental change to the tone of the show, but I think once you introduce a romantic relationship as a major subplot you can't really afford to have your cake and eat it on the "show is not going to focus on the doctor's personal lives" philosophy, you HAVE to cut us a little bit more slack. We won't take a mile, but you have to give us more than an inch. Maybe a yardstick. At least. ;)

Damn, I ran out of character space in my comment to your comment!...


Edited at 2013-03-26 06:13 am (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 26th, 2013 06:06 am (UTC) (Link Me)
PART TWO... (yeah, yeah, I'm going to bed after this ;) )


I have a gut feeling they might be setting Hooten up for a fall, eventually (we'll see) though I agree with your general sentiment there. And it's entirely to Fred's credit that he is SO rage inducing. ;) But it's getting harder and harder to watch each week, for sure; there needs to be more yank-out-the-rug developments in 311, as with what happened last week when we realized Hooten was congratulating Ty's efforts. Sydney REALLY pushed back there for a moment, but I would have liked to see her do it harder and in a more sustained fashion; of course, it's probably in character for her not to since I still feel like there is a mentor/protege through-line with those two that they are setting up for further development. (It did seem also as though Hooten was particularly twitchy when he was admonishing Syd because it was more upsetting for him to do so.)

Agreed re: Gato in the operating room, though threatening to hit Buck (twice) was pretty classic. ;) And it's worth noting that Buck being Buck was nicely countered by Buck being the one to immediately run into Hooten's office and put his neck on the line for Delaney.

The Park/Ty scene was FANTASTIC. Every bit of it. And "We KNOW who you are, Fran" made me choke on a sip of water, I laughed so hard. :D
onlyariana From: onlyariana Date: March 26th, 2013 04:39 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Unless Hooten is being set up for a fall himself, I can't fathom watching this behavior week in and week out indefinitely.

THIS. SO much this. Calling Tina out on trying to do the fancy operation because her marriage is falling apart -- without *first* checking into the case to see if the procedure was called for or not. That's just not cool. And it isn't in line with his exacting standards. I can't figure out what he's supposed to be. Is he supposed to be a dick who gets off on taking doctors down a peg? Because a lot of the time that is what it seems like. Or is he supposed to be a chief who expects his doctors to live up the highest standards? The latter is a show I'd love. The former is a show that, honestly I'm not interested in watching.

Or let's take Dr. Delaney's case. I get how it's right for those in charge to take responsibility for those they're in charge of, but according to the Captain of the Ship Doctrine as Hooten pointed out it's ultimately HH's fault that this happened. So why wasn't he fired as well? That's the problem, these constant logical fallacies that come from the 311 and Hooten. I can't take them.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 30th, 2013 04:24 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Or let's take Dr. Delaney's case. I get how it's right for those in charge to take responsibility for those they're in charge of, but according to the Captain of the Ship Doctrine as Hooten pointed out it's ultimately HH's fault that this happened. So why wasn't he fired as well?

I think that's the 'Ioan is a guest star so he takes the fall' rule. ;p But, seriously, yeah, you can't have Hooten say it's ultimately his fault, then fire Delaney. And I really don't know of a hospital that would - or could - just up and fire someone for a mistake like that. While Delaney had some responsibility, and it was to his credit he took some responsibility, we know it's one of the nurses who would have been fired.

Edited at 2013-03-30 04:26 pm (UTC)
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