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"Monday Mornings" Episode 1x09 Discussion Thread: "Wheels Within Wheels"

Photo is from next weeks season finale. Probably. Well, maybe. It's TNT, so who really knows?


The floor is now open! Come back in a couple hours (or tomorrow or whenever you have some time :) and discuss the penultimate episode of Monday Mornings. Yes, we only have two more weeks of Jamie on our TV screens! Curse you, short basic cable seasons! Hopefully, TNT will have a lousy pilot season and see the error of their ways (Promotion! More Promotion!) and we'll have the opportunity to see more MM next season.

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zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 2nd, 2013 05:04 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I really really need to not post the quick and dirty reaction comments and then longer, thoughtful comments later when I have time and energy to do so. I know. Shame on me. ;)

- Am I alone in thinking this was the most DEK-like episode yet?

- Aaaaah, the entire room nearly ganged up on Hooten! REVOLT! REVOLT, TEAM, DOOOO IT!

- Although yet again, Jamie didn't quite get enough to do. Come ON, show, you couldn't have given Ty a soapbox to go with the Lee and Matt ones?! ;)

More comments later... (work and lack of sleep are killing me these days...)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: April 2nd, 2013 05:45 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I just finished working on something else, so quick thoughts from me too, for the moment.

Am I alone in thinking this was the most DEK-like episode yet?

Nope. As soon as they revealed the Patient of the Week was covered in writing I thought, "That has DEK written all over it." No pun intended. ;) And the debate that followed as to whether or not he should have the surgery was also very much DEK.

I LOVED PARK AND SYDNEY SO MUCH! It was about damn time Hooten had to deal with push back. And it really hit me why Hooten's behavior has gotten on my last nerve. It wasn't his calling Michelle on her near fatal errors (which as she was struggling in the ER I knew she HAD to be called on them), but it was his complimenting her and putting her up on a pedestal to make her fall even harder and more humiliating. He could have had the same result by starting out with 'It must feel really good to have saved a life....but let me point out the ways in which you almost cost the patient her life.' It all reminded me of a saying I quote all the time at my job, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it."

Yeah, not enough Ty. And HOW could Hooten think Ty even possibly leaked the judge's information? WTF? And then to bring up his relationship with Tina AGAIN? GRRRR.

Speaking of Tina, I really liked her tonight. Her walk and talk with Park on the way to the elevator had my LOLing.
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 2nd, 2013 06:29 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Newbie here, and the best way I know how to start is to just jump in. I've followed Jamie's career since Hornblower, but I only recently discovered this blog which, considering my tendency to obsess, is probably a good thing.

Although I'm not ready to pronounce MM a touchstone of Jamie's career (a la HH, BSG, or LOUK), there is potential....

Jamie and Jennifer Finnegan look great together. The cute quotient is off the charts, but I need more to jump on the Ty/Tina ship. The inherent messiness of their relationship should give their story mileage, but I hope as the story evolves Mark is given fuller treatment. As others have noted, thus far he is a non-entity; we know nothing about how his and Tina's marriage progressed to this point. We see him lashing out (with a nuisance lawsuit), but how do we know that Ty isn't the real home-wrecking jerk in this story? Or Tina, for that matter. Which came first, the affair or the bad marriage?

Part of me really wants to see a Jamie character in a fully developed, sympathetic, high profile sexy romance because he doesn't have that on his pretend-resume. He has the fraternal, borderline homoerotic Archie/Horatio friendship from HH; the tortured, complex father/son dynamic of Adama/Lee from BSG; and the effortlessly devoted charm of Ronnie/Matt on LOUK. But look at the guy! He should be the ideal romantic hero! As relieved as I am that MM isn't a Grey's Anatomy redux, I also wish so much backpedaling wasn't necessary for me to really get behind a Ty/Tina romance.


About last night's episode:
I LOVED PARK AND SYDNEY SO MUCH! It was about damn time Hooten had to deal with push back. And it really hit me why Hooten's behavior has gotten on my last nerve. It wasn't his calling Michelle on her near fatal errors (which as she was struggling in the ER I knew she HAD to be called on them), but it was his complimenting her and putting her up on a pedestal to make her fall even harder and more humiliating. He could have had the same result by starting out with 'It must feel really good to have saved a life....but let me point out the ways in which you almost cost the patient her life.' It all reminded me of a saying I quote all the time at my job, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it."


So. Much. This. I've remained patient with Hooten, because I tend to view this from the perspective of a patient/caregiver. Surgery is a very high-stakes profession, and highly skilled surgeons with lofty reputations need the occasional check on their egos to prevent complacency. Having said that, there are times when Hooten seems to enjoy twisting the knife just a little too much. His building Michelle up just to shoot her down approach smacked of gratuitous bullying at worst, and a lack of professionalism at best.

Issues of privacy are still taken very seriously by the medical profession, even as it is increasingly difficult to maintain in our technology-driven culture. So, while it was unrealistic for Hooten to think the leak of a patient's condition to the media a simple matter of Ty breaking a patient's confidentiality, Sydney's cavalier attitude toward the lack of privacy was also inappropriate. Did these people never hear of HIPAA?

As a Jamie fan, I want more Ty. As a fan of ensemble acting, I like seeing the wealth spread around. I've always been impressed by how Jamie manages to find himself surrounded by such talented people, and I enjoy watching those talented people work.

A small moment--Fran's perfectly pitched "ch ching" when talking to Michelle about the benefits of positive publicity. I know it wasn't intended, but "ch ching" is too close to "ch chung" is an LOUK memory trigger for me, and I really had to concentrate to refocus on MM.

Finally, Parks urgent "Do test NOW" when his young epilepsy patient listed Bill O'Reilly among literature's great authors. Indeed. I literally rolled off the couch laughing. Park is becoming one of my favorite characters. I love his economy of language. English may be his second language but he really knows how to use emphasis and inflection to convey his message--sometimes, I think he actually has better command of English than his English-speaking colleagues.

Edited at 2013-04-02 10:02 pm (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 3rd, 2013 04:17 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Well, I hope despite any tendencies you won't be a stranger because your comments are thoughtful and excellent. Welcome! :)

I agree with so much of what you've said here, but especially this:

But look at the guy! He should be the ideal romantic hero! As relieved as I am that MM isn't a Grey's Anatomy redux, I also wish so much backpedaling wasn't necessary for me to really get behind a Ty/Tina romance.

Precisely. I'm all for a real romance with real problems and real ugly moments from time to time, but I feel as though all of these things (as well as the happier moments) would resonate more if just a few key adjustments had been made early on in the writing. Sounds like you've read most of what we've said before in previous ep discussions so I won't bang on about it again too much. ;)

Having said that, there are times when Hooten seems to enjoy twisting the knife just a little too much. His building Michelle up just to shoot her down approach smacked of gratuitous bullying at worst, and a lack of professionalism at best.

Yup. And yes, she did indeed make a serious mistake. However... well, I guess I can sum most of it up with the water pitcher. I know, it comes up ALL the time, often jokingly in tweets and that kind of thing can be fun but for me personally, the water pitcher has reached a point where it's become a parody of itself. If they did it more subtle-like, without the drawwwwwn out slow motion and the reactions from the peanut gallery, it might still work but as it is? WE. KNOW. SHOW. Shit's about to go down. So let's just have it! ;)

Really, really needed to see the doctors' revolt actually happen. That scene could have gotten angrier, and I would have been fine with it. Like, maybe Gato gets up and upturns Hooten's table. Like the Panda cheese commercial:



(Little kick at the end is where he kicks the water pitcher across the room. *chortle*) ;)

Finally, Parks urgent "Do test NOW" when his young epilepsy patient listed Bill O'Reilly among literature's great authors. Indeed.

ME TOO. ;) They really have made the most headway with Park; I had such reservations initially despite Keong always being great, and he's been given the most room to breathe. And in his case, the repetitive bits aren't so repetitive; it helps keep "not do, dead" from falling into the catchphrase trap when we get Tina begging him to say it instead of keeping his mouth shut. Hee.

Edited at 2013-04-03 04:17 am (UTC)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: April 3rd, 2013 04:47 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
the water pitcher has reached a point where it's become a parody of itself. If they did it more subtle-like, without the drawwwwwn out slow motion and the reactions from the peanut gallery, it might still work but as it is?

At this point, the next time he goes to pour, we need one of the doctors to jump up and yell, "RUN!", and have a mass exodus for the doors. Then the camera cuts back to Hooten, still pouring water into an overflowing glass.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: April 3rd, 2013 04:43 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Welcome! I'm glad you found the site. :)

At times, I've found it odd that Jamie has never really played the romantic lead. The closest he's come is BSG, but BSG was never primarily about romantic relationship. And Kara and Lee were never a couple in the traditional sense. I know some actors, particularly the hot ones ;), push for romance on screen and everything that comes with it, but Jamie has never done that. I think some of the actors who do push for it tend to be lacking in other areas (such as talent). I'm sure, on some level, Jamie knows how attractive he is, but being taking seriously as an actor is the most important thing to him. So, the fact he's multi-dimensional means, unfortunately, we get to see a little less of him...if you know what I mean. ;)

Having said that, there are times when Hooten seems to enjoy twisting the knife just a little too much. His building Michelle up just to shoot her down approach smacked of gratuitous bullying at worst, and a lack of professionalism at best.

::nods head vigorously in agreement:: He does seem to 'get off on' his take-downs to an extent. Which is disturbing.

Finally, Parks urgent "Do test NOW" when his young epilepsy patient listed Bill O'Reilly among literature's great authors. Indeed. I literally rolled off the couch laughing.

That was a very funny moment. Park seemed to be debating whether they needed to run the test until Bill O'Reilly's name was mentioned. :p

And a HUGE amount of credit to the actor who a) has elevated Park above a stereotype and b) conveys SO MUCH emotionally when he has so few words to use.
Physha1 From: Physha1 Date: April 3rd, 2013 11:24 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
When he does do the romance thing, it is SO satisfying, though. Body of Proof, for example: Super sexy, charming, smiley and at times sweaty and shirtless. Perfect. It would be nice to see that side of him more. My dream is to see Matt's romantic side explored, "Not in my mattress" being one of my absolute favorite moments of any show ever. This was apparently Matt's best effort, and, as Ron's face shows, an epic fail. How sweet to be able to see him actually capture a girl's heart. I'm done daydreaming now.
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 4th, 2013 03:47 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
"Not in my mattress" being one of my absolute favorite moments of any show ever.


Top Five classic Jamie moment, were we to take a poll. Brilliant.

I think if Jamie had stayed with LOUK, the Matt/Alesha relationship would've progressed, at least as far as the format allowed. I try not to compare couples from different shows--apples, oranges, and all that--but Matt/Alesha was far more root-worthy than Ty/Tina, and they looked just as terrific together.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 4th, 2013 07:20 am (UTC) (Link Me)
The closest he's come is BSG

You could also argue that Un jour mon pere viendra came pretty close. Though certainly, there was a lot going on there that kept it from being a proper romantic lead, too.

I'm sure, on some level, Jamie knows how attractive he is, but being taking seriously as an actor is the most important thing to him. So, the fact he's multi-dimensional means, unfortunately, we get to see a little less of him...if you know what I mean. ;)

To be honest, if that weren't a factor I probably wouldn't be lollygagging around this comm the way I do. Much as I like looking at him, I like watching him go to town on a really juicy script more than anything and I really hope that's what the new show offers him. If he gets his shirt off, it's always a bonus. It's never the goal. ;)

Edited at 2013-04-04 07:22 am (UTC)
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 4th, 2013 03:34 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I know some actors, particularly the hot ones ;), push for romance on screen and everything that comes with it, but Jamie has never done that. I think some of the actors who do push for it tend to be lacking in other areas (such as talent). I'm sure, on some level, Jamie knows how attractive he is, but being taking seriously as an actor is the most important thing to him. So, the fact he's multi-dimensional means, unfortunately, we get to see a little less of him...if you know what I mean. ;)


Part of Jamie's appeal (for me, and I suspect for many of us) is his astute career instinct. From the beginning, he's carefully chosen roles to prevent his being typecast, and, considering the highly competitive nature of the business, that's difficult for a young actor to do and still work consistently. He's portrayed a diversity of characters in a wide variety of quality projects, and, at this point, his credibility as an actor is well-established.

He's also entering his 40s, prime time for sexy leading men. Part of why I find the Ty/Tina relationship on MM so frustrating is that it feels almost like wasted opportunity, the vital romantic ingredient needed to pull in a larger core audience, had the hole dug for them not been quite so deep.

I recall an interview from the early Hornblower days in which Jamie stated that 1)Cary Grant, one of Hollywood's most legendary romantic leads, was one of his favorite actors, and 2)he wanted to do more comedy. I'd love to see Jamie in a romantic comedy feature film, or in a TV drama/comedy (a la Parenthood or Modern Family) in which he's given opportunity to bring emotional, dramatic weight to a comedic role (or vice versa).


jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 4th, 2013 03:37 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Sigh. So sorry about the double post. I forgot to sign in the first time, then when it didn't appear I just re-wrote it. I'm new to LJ, so I'm still working out the quirks.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 4th, 2013 04:32 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
No worries. Took care of the extra comment for ya. ;)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 4th, 2013 04:45 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I'd love to see Jamie in a romantic comedy feature film, or in a TV drama/comedy (a la Parenthood or Modern Family) in which he's given opportunity to bring emotional, dramatic weight to a comedic role (or vice versa).

*nod nod* It came up in our interview at Dragon*Con and he underlined again that it's something he'd really like to do more of. Now if only we could get someone to chuck a reeeeally good romantic comedy script at him. Get your shit together, filmmakers!

Have you managed to check out Un jour mon pere viendra? It's not brilliant and it's not really a proper romantic comedy, but there are elements of that, he has some excellent moments (plus on a shallow level he's jaw-droppingly gorgeous in it) so it's worth a look. Also, there's the "pretending to have a terrible French accent" thing which in itself is comedy. ;) You can get it from Amazon Canada.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 3rd, 2013 04:25 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Speaking of Tina, I really liked her tonight. Her walk and talk with Park on the way to the elevator had my LOLing.

All of her reactions to Park were hilarious, Jen was terrific in this episode. One thing I will say is that I love the fact that the show has made a point of mixing up the dynamics and having different docs work in different teams nearly every week; it helps keep the case dynamics fresh, even when other storylines stall a bit.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 2nd, 2013 03:19 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I thought Michelle should have been called out in 311. I agree he shouldn't have built her up first for the purpose of making her fall farther and harder. I know she's new and learning but it seemed when the nurse was pointing out issues she had an "I already know that" attitude. She came through in the end but she should have requested assistance in the situation. Literally a few seconds longer the patient would have died.

Hooten though was way out of line accusing Ty and dragging his relationship with Tina up yet again. Whenever hooten has a personal interest in a situation he changes his standards He has a friendship with gato, which I quite enjoy their bar scenes, but he never grilled gato in 311 on the way he lied to a patient letting him believe he was dying to get a confession. Gato shouldn't have had the benefit of a private conversation about it . Last night he developed a personal attachment to the judge. He reacted immediately without looking into or even thinking about the situation. He just stomps in to 311 with accusations. Legally her condition had to be reported to the health department. It's public knowledge. He didn't think. He just accused Ty and tried to humiliate Tina once again. And what's up with that? Why drag this out every week? He doesn't drag Sydney and her special doctor friend up there asking if she discusses anything with her boyfriend. He doesn't worry if she may try to impress her boyfriend at work, which he has insinuated with Ty. It's pretty much harassment, particularly the way he has been with Tina. Is there a former wife who had an affair with a hot successful surgeon in his history? Does it bother him that Ty is considered one of the best surgeons in his field in the world? So much so the military has him on contract using a new technology to assist treatment for soldiers on the front lines. Why are these two the only ones he focuses on when Ty can mention at least 20 other relationships in the hospital. Hooten reacts differently when it's personal, maybe Tina and Ty mirror something that happened in his own marriage.

And of course. Not enough Ty.

Can't believe this is winding up perhaps permanently. Tweet, Facebook, email TNT. Let them hear how much we want to see a season two!
Physha1 From: Physha1 Date: April 2nd, 2013 03:34 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Yes, not enough Ty. Wondering if the comment Fran made to Michelle was a harbinger of what happened in the book. Wanting a hug from Gato.

Back to work!
asta77 From: asta77 Date: April 3rd, 2013 04:29 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
It struck me that the rattled, less confidant Michelle we saw in this episode was more like the Michelle in the book then what we have seen on screen thus far. Of course, you couldn't have Book Michelle be Series Michelle or she would have been ride sharing with Delaney to LA. Though, that's not a bad way to go. ;)
Physha1 From: Physha1 Date: April 3rd, 2013 11:24 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
No, it's not. I hadn't thought of that!
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: April 3rd, 2013 09:01 am (UTC) (Link Me)
While I actually enjoyed most of this episode, I agree 100% with everything that has been said about Hooten. He just comes across as an egotistical unprofessional bully. Also I really disliked the bar scene this week. For Gato and Hooten to make light of the way he bulles junior colleagues rather makes Gato complicit to my mind. Also the way they joked about how he'd hugged Michelle was really icky. I vote that next week the staff hire the slimy lawyer and file a collective grievance against Hooten!

That aside, the rest of the cast were great :)

PS Was I the only one that sniggered when Michelle said she wasn't really much of a one for horn blowing?
asta77 From: asta77 Date: April 3rd, 2013 04:26 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
PS Was I the only one that sniggered when Michelle said she wasn't really much of a one for horn blowing?

Hee! You must have missed my Twitter comment. I tweeted the "horn blowing" line should have been in last weeks ep. :D
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: April 3rd, 2013 06:19 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
ROFL! I always miss the twitter comments! Never mind, this is the next best thing :)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 4th, 2013 05:37 am (UTC) (Link Me)
PS Was I the only one that sniggered when Michelle said she wasn't really much of a one for horn blowing?

It was particularly funny because it was Michelle who said it, in light of what we discovered about her and Dr. Delaney last week. No, I think you are actually RATHER fond of Hornblowing, Dr. Robideaux. BOOM! *curtsey*
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