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"Monday Mornings" Episode 1x10 Discussion Thread: "Family Ties"

Yes, I used this photo last week, but, apparently, it IS from this weeks episode. And we ain't got nothing new. :/


Tonight's episode is the season finale. As Jamie mentioned on Twitter just a little while ago, hopefully TNT forgives the soft numbers and lets them prove themselves in season 2. What Jamie didn't say and what I will say is that at least some of the responsibility for the soft numbers is due to TNT's lack of publicity. I think I my have mentioned that a few times before? ;)

And here's a couple interviews for you to also enjoy:

Jamie's interview with Collider in which he talks about Monday Mornings, Law & Order: UK and Battlestar Galactica (Still! By the way, Mart tweeted earlier that BSG began filming ten years ago this month?!) My favorite part of the interview was Jamie mentioning how much he enjoys Ty's scenes with Park (Keong Sim). He seems as pleasantly surprised as us as to how that relationship has developed on screen.

IndieWire interviews MM writers Karen Struck and Amanda Johns. Always nice to get a glimpse of the behind the scenes process.

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asta77 From: asta77 Date: April 9th, 2013 04:50 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I'm sure more will come to me later, but since it's late and I'm sleepy, just some quick, brief (for me ;) thoughts.....

Not enough Jamie. HOWEVER, there was just no way he could take part in Tina's surgery and thus, by necessity, needed to be sidelined. Like Gato before him, he wanted to be the one in the OR, but if emotions overtake reason before surgery, there is no way you can perform it.

I'm still not feeling the Ty/Tina relationship at all and, forgive me being redundant, since we've seen so little of them as a couple the "I love you" didn't have the impact on me the writers were hoping for. Still, Jamie just KILLED the scene where he interrupts the 311 meeting. He totally sold me that he was about to deliver time of death (and, boy, that would have been an unexpected, and dare I say brave, plot development).

Speaking of the 311 meeting, I was as ragey as Sydney that Hooten called the meeting when he did. While I still think it was wrong of him to do, it was made clear the reason was personal - he needed the distraction - and Alfred's breakdown was terrific. And though the timing was all wrong, so was Sydney. As much as I wanted to smack some sense into the grandmother for enabling her grandson, it was obvious she loved her grandson and likely really didn't know what to do to make him correct his bad habits. And was foster care better than a home with a loving grandmother? I think we know the answer to that.

The organ donation case was eye-opening. I actually learned a thing or two. Like not really knowing what I was committing too, fully, when I checked the organ donation box on my drivers license renewal. I've only ever thought of donation in terms of heart, lungs, liver, etc.

For those who haven't read the book, Tina is attacked, but under different circumstances, and instead of a single hit she is the victim of a horrific beating. Personally, I'm glad the toned the scene down. It doesn't lesson the impact of her near loss on those around her.

I mentioned on Twitter I really want a season 2 now just so we can see more scenes between Ty and Park. Jamie and Keong are terrific together on screen and the dynamic between the characters is so fascinating.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 9th, 2013 11:05 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I'm still not feeling the Ty/Tina relationship at all and, forgive me being redundant, since we've seen so little of them as a couple the "I love you" didn't have the impact on me the writers were hoping for.

Actually, disagree - Jamie sold THAT moment for me too. While of course I agree with you that having invested more screen time earlier what makes this relationship tick would have given it a much stronger resonance, for me it was all about the quiet restraint he brought to that entire scene. Assuring Gato he wouldn't have to be dragged from the room, the little crack in his voice on "five seconds", the way his line reading of "I love you" almost seemed as if it was actually just hitting Ty right then and he really wished he had said it in the bar a couple of weeks ago instead of "I want what we have to have meaning"... BAMBER. You, dude. Youuuuuuu.

Not to mention the big fat tear the size of a kidney bean that just hung there on his eyelid and took FOR. EVER. to fall...



AngsTy!!!! ;)

(Also SO glad that Tina wasn't beaten so badly the way she was in the book; not to mention that it would have created real problems for the character in the second season, it seemed unnecessary. That was a denoument for a character in a book, not suitable for someone on a potentially continuing series.)

I appreciated precisely how messy Syd's case was and how there was no real clear answer AT ALL; in any other circumstance that would have been a real case ripe for seeing how all the doctors came down on the issue, if the timing hadn't been so bad. I agree completely that Fred was phenomenal but, yeah... STILL NOT THE TIME, HARDING!

I think my favorite part of the organ donor plot was actually Buck's last monologue. Gradually through his narrow focus and fussbudgety arseyness, the doctor who actually does want to make a difference in people's lives has crept out inch by inch and a lot of that is down to Bill Irwin kicking ass every time he has a chance to do so. :) I think both he *and* Park have had pretty successful arcs overall this season.

Edited at 2013-04-09 11:07 pm (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 9th, 2013 05:00 am (UTC) (Link Me)
It's another quick-impressions first post for me and more later, but overall I really enjoyed the finale. Despite, for the first time in this episode, having read the book being something I *regretted* because I saw a particular plot point coming ;) ... and despite a few of my pet peeves here and there overall, yet again, I feel like the show is quite comfortable in its rhythms now. And cast were SO good tonight (Sarayu in particular, though Jamie was OUT. STANDING. in two scenes especially. *wild applause*)

More on the finale itself later, but I banged some of this out in advance because, thinky thoughts ....

Re: The season at large: Part of me wants to go back and grab highlights of allll the stuff I've posted in previous episode discussions but a) I have to get up at ridiculous o'clock tomorrow, so nuh-uh and b) I KNOW that will overrun the character limit here. ;) It also seems silly at this point to pound the gavel on certain things that I know were sticking points for most of us (ex. the way Ty/Tina were written in the first 1/2 of the season), but the point that I want to make is that overall I really do feel the show improved dramatically from the pilot to what we saw tonight.

There have been moments and scenes that I genuinely adored, and others that made me snarl because I felt like they were actually holding the show back. While I do see so much improvement and, IMO, much potential to grow as a show in a second season, it does bother me that I have not quite warmed to the 311 meetings being such an enormous part of the show's dynamic; in some ways forces it into a formula that doesn't always work and, from time to time, steals precious screen time away from the bedside and operating theatres as well as the character development. Too often I have felt like they adhere to expectation, it feels like routine when I'd rather just watch Hooten confront someone in his office, or watch Park and Ty have it out in the X-Ray room. I would love to see them re-think the way they approach 311 each week, even really take the emphasis off of it in certain episodes. Why can't we have episodes with short 311 scene that aren't the lynchpin of the script? Don't tell me we can't, writers. SI SE PUEDE. ;) Or upend our expectations more often, as w/ what happened tonight. Jamie and the cast are so wonderful and they deserve more work, bar none. I would be lying though if said I didn't want the writers to step it up next season. (I loved that we got an interview with Johns and Struck today, though it was a bit of a frustrating read as there's so much about the way they structured the season that I would really like to hear them address!)

Also, I WILL underline the fact that my personal opinions on the show aside, it is undeniable that TNT's choices in how they promoted the show more than likely hindered it from finding an audience early on, and they didn't seem to bother to correct their approach as the season progressed; MM isn't the only show that suffered from their shenanigans this winter but regardless of what happens, they need to have a SERIOUS think about what it's going to take them to be competitive vs. network and other basic cable shows with strong audiences. If MM is denied a second season because of numbers that are at least partially the fault of soft marketing, that's a terrible shame.

*drops mic*

Edited at 2013-04-09 06:53 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 9th, 2013 05:44 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Just a quick note as I'm off to work. I'm concerned that the ratings will be even lower because of the basketball game. Just makes me feel like the chances for season 2 are slimmer

Agree that we haven't seen enough Ty and Tina. I'm sure the approach has been that they originally kept it secret, so the audience is supposed to be seeing it the way the rest of Chelsea general does. We suspect it, but aren't privvy to it.

Of course I'm biased, but I think jamie has sold Ty loving Tina. From the way he looked at her holding the baby to the bar scene to running to the er last night. Jamie is an expert at delivering emotion without words. Tina on the other hand you really don't know. Nothing against Jennifer, it's how Tina has been written. Im nit sure if she cheated on her husband because she was bored or that she really fell for Ty. Jamie can take those quiet moments and his face and body language can tell us what his characters are feeling. He's a great actor of course but he seems to be a master in those moments without words.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: April 10th, 2013 07:59 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
The ratings were lower from the previous week - and you could b right about basketball impacting the ratings - but they were on par with the season average. So, a good news/bad news scenario.

Yeah, I wish we had a better idea as to why Tina's marriage fell apart. Did her feelings for Ty cause her to distance herself from her husband? More likely, they were growing apart and, as it happened, she was drawn to Ty and then the affair occurred. But how deep are her feelings for Ty? Was he there at a time when she needed someone and so she thinks she's in love with him or is he really THE partner for her?

I also found it a bit odd that we didn't at least get a mention of her husband. They are still married so, by law, he could have the right to make medical decisions for her if she were unable to make them for herself, depending on what her medical directives are. I can understand not having time for scenes with the character/actor, but at least say he's out of town on business and is making his way back.
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 12:08 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I'm still not feeling the Ty/Tina relationship at all and, forgive me being redundant, since we've seen so little of them as a couple the "I love you" didn't have the impact on me the writers were hoping for. Still, Jamie just KILLED the scene where he interrupts the 311 meeting. He totally sold me that he was about to deliver time of death (and, boy, that would have been an unexpected, and dare I say brave, plot development).


I just finished viewing the season finale, and since Jamie is the primary reason we watch, I'll start there. With all good actors, regardless of their diversity of roles, a common thread, sometimes barely perceptible, runs through all the characters they play. For Jamie, that thread is an emotional earnestness that is simultaneously restrained and endearingly obvious. I did not expect to be so touched my Ty's declaration of love to Tina, because even now I'm not fully behind their romance, but Jamie's sudden, heartfelt, decidedly non-melodramatic declaration in that scene broke my heart. That doesn't mitigate this couple's myriad issues, but I fully believe Ty's in love. But, I get your point--I'm not sure the story up until now justifies that moment (script-wise), but I'm willing to give the show's writers the benefit of the doubt, for now. And that's all because of how Jamie sold it here.

Ty's sudden appearance at the 311 meeting was, for a couple seconds, suspenseful. If I was spoiler-free, I would've doubted Tina's survival, but alas...no, I'm kidding. I like Tina, at least most of the time...and, btw, I wish someone had called her soon-to-be-ex, who, last time I checked, was still next of kin, no matter how emotionally distant he feels from Tina. But, as I've complained before, the cuckold husband is the afterthought in the Ty/Tina story.

I appreciated Hooten's meltdown at the 311. Really, it's about time he showed himself to be human at these over-hyped get-togethers, and he's correct in saying that, in times of extreme stress, we need distraction. I think even Sydney was partially driven by fear over Tina, at least subconsciously, when she overstepped her authority with her young obese patient's grandmother. (Sydney's concerns about his heath and care are valid, but there are more proactive ways of conveying that concern to patients.)

The organ transplant sub-plot allowed Buck to show his humanity, decency,and passion for the vital contribution he makes to the profession and to his patients. His character has, at times, been too easily dismissed for reasons that are, in reality, less important than the work he actually does.

My most favorite parts, and a surprisingly important reason I'm hoping for renewal? Ty and Park. We talked before about how the character of Dr. Park has evolved over these ten episodes, and I don't think that was more evident than in his scenes with Ty in this episode. He was firm, he was gentle, he was compassionate, he was just lovely, and the eye contact, the subtle expressiveness, the "less is more" emotional approach of those scenes, reminded me so much of what I loved about the character elements of LOUK.

Confession time: I did not watch MM when it aired last night, thus contributing to the low ratings numbers. I live in Kentucky. My daughter is a senior at the University of Louisville. We watch basketball. Period. So judge me. Last night's championship game killed in the ratings, and there's really nothing anyone could've done about that. Realistically,and I hope I'm wrong, I think last night's episode was the series last. It's a shame, because on one level MM has the potential to be great, with some creative tweaking in some areas, and significant revision in some other areas. It's easy to blame the lack of promotion from TNT, but TV viewers are pretty savvy and word of mouth is the most powerful advertisement there is--if viewers really wanted to find MM, they would have. Or, they would if TNT gave it some time.



Edited at 2013-04-10 12:27 am (UTC)
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 02:34 am (UTC) (Link Me)
According to TV By the Numbers, ratings did indeed retreat a bit, back down to a .3 in the 18-49 demo. So, sigh. At this point, it will take someone with clout at TNT who believes enough in MM to take a leap of faith.

Did I read up top that it's been ten frakin' years since BSG started filming? Wow. I remember, when I first heard Jamie had been cast in a re-imagining of the 1974 TV series, my first reaction was what? Actually, my first thought was, why would anyone even think to do a re-make of Battlestar Gallactica? My second thought was, oh Jamie, what are you thinking...which just goes to show why Jamie's Jamie and I'm not.

I recently started a BSG re-watch, and I've been surprised by how much of the first season I actually remember. BSG, of all Jamie's major projects, is the one I was least drawn to initially--I'm simply not into scifi--but I watched for Jamie's sake, and was very pleasantly surprised by how much broader it's reach than just science fiction. I'm still not interested in the technical aspects of creating science fiction television, but I learned to appreciate how science fiction could be used to explore broader themes and characterizations that are relevant in any setting.

2003 was a big year for Jamie--he turned 30, he started filming a life changing, genre-altering television series, his first child was born, and he got married.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 04:52 am (UTC) (Link Me)
My second thought was, oh Jamie, what are you thinking...which just goes to show why Jamie's Jamie and I'm not.

Actually, hold it right there... you might want to go back and watch what Jamie's first thought was. ;)

Edited at 2013-04-10 04:52 am (UTC)
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 12:42 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Frak! I'd completely forgotten about that interview! I think I'm in love with Jamie all over again, if that's possible. And, yes! Great minds DO think alike ;) !

Even his earliest memories of BSG are similar to mine, although I'm a little older and I do remember Apollo (Richard Hatch). I actually had a crush on Starbuck (Dirk Benedict) as a young teen, and, all those years later, I formed a girl crush on nuStarbuck, Katee Sackoff, for awhile.

He mentioned being unhappy in the series he was filming before BSG...I assume he's referring to Ultimate Force, one of the Jamie projects I've not seen and, considering how he's talked about that experience, not all that anxious to see.

Edited at 2013-04-10 12:55 pm (UTC)
leakypaintpen From: leakypaintpen Date: April 10th, 2013 06:57 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Ultimate Force is available on Hulu, if you're curious. I couldn't get through the first episode, though.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: April 10th, 2013 07:42 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I got through the first series, barely, and have yet to view Jamie's final two episodes. It's terrible on so many levels. And it's the only project Jamie has ever been involved in where you can actually see on screen how miserable he was while acting in it.

I was amused recently when someone at work, a guy who is into action films/series, casually described this terrible British show about special forces he tried watching on Hulu and, yep, it was 'Ultimate Force'.
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 08:20 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Well, I just subscribed to Hulu last week, so I might dare to take a peek. I'll keep my expectations low ;)

Thanks for letting me know!
asta77 From: asta77 Date: April 10th, 2013 07:48 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Heh. I was going to say I was a Starbuck/Dirk Benedict fangirl too back in the day, but a) I was 6 and b) was fangirl a thing back then? ;) But now that I'm older and wiser, I much prefer Apollo. :D

Oh, yeah, it was 'Ultimate Force'. He's even mentioned it by name in some interviews. He was pretty desperate to get away from that and his misery is clearly on view in his performance. I don't know how the show lasted as long as it did. Some good actors in it though. And most made their escape. ;)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 08:29 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Some good actors in it though. And most made their escape. ;)

And managed to bond despite the show!; Jamie and Tony Curran still seem to be pretty good mates. :)
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 08:33 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Misery loves company, perhaps? Unpleasant experiences bring people together sometimes.
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 08:29 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
was fangirl a thing back then? ;)


Oh, yeah. There may not have been Internet gathering spots, but there were fan clubs and telephones and everybody knew who was hot and who was not, or thought they knew ;)
Physha1 From: Physha1 Date: April 23rd, 2013 01:07 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I subjected myself to several episodes, then realized that only-Jamie-scene-synopses were on Daily Motion. I believe this to be the only way to watch that terrible show. Not sure if they are still there, but worth a try. He is cutely stern throughout.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 04:39 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Jamie's sudden, heartfelt, decidedly non-melodramatic declaration in that scene broke my heart.

That puts a fine point on it, right there; it wasn't melodramatic at all, it was sincere and it felt very raw and very real. There have been moments in the show that I did feel were a bit too heavy handed or overtly tugging at heartstrings and this wasn't one of them, he really nailed it. *beaming* :)

My most favorite parts, and a surprisingly important reason I'm hoping for renewal? Ty and Park. We talked before about how the character of Dr. Park has evolved over these ten episodes, and I don't think that was more evident than in his scenes with Ty in this episode

You know, in the Collider interview Jamie specifically pointed out the Ty/Park dynamic as being something he enjoyed too and IMO it is definitely a part of the show that also became more tangible in the second half of the season. Also, something that I think unfortunately didn't always come across in the final edit the way it likely did a) in the writers room and b) in Jamie and Keong's approach to their scenes. I would have LOVED to see even more overt rivalry between the two and more opportunities for their egos to clash; in retrospect there are definitely key moments that speak to this, such as Gato's pep talk at the end of the pilot when Jamie spits out that line reading "Why don't you ask Sung?!" When Park asks Ty to assist in the violinist's surgery, at the time it felt more to me like Park simply not wanting to accept *anyone's* help, and less like he was specifically chagrined because he was asking Ty; now, I see that scene differently.

It's easy to blame the lack of promotion from TNT, but TV viewers are pretty savvy and word of mouth is the most powerful advertisement there is

Here I disagree - I really don't think it's *easy* to blame TNT at all. If anything, it's really damned hard to have to point the finger at the network in ANY situation like this, because you want to believe that they're going to fight for their shows tooth and nail. And it needs to be underlined, again, that ultiamtely MM isn't the only show that suffered because of TNT's marketing strategies; Southland did practically the same numbers. Dallas's numbers were WAY down from summer. Basically, TNT have had their asses handed to them every week since this season began.

Word of mouth is definitely a crucial, indispensible form of advertisement, but it cannot exist in a vacuum; the network has to be aware of it and encourage it and do what it can to spread the word. And nowadays, though TV and print are still vital, social media is your #1 tool to encourage word of mouth. If you look at how many people tweet @MondayMornTNT vs. them actually engaging their followers?.. well, they NEVER engage their followers. On Facebook, I have seen one or two replies when I looked at the page (I've all but sworn off Facebook, though I manage a FB page for my job) and all of those replies sounded like network approved jargon. I opined once before that it's possible TNT operates their social media in a very corporate climate where multiple people have to approve every post or tweet that goes out; it happens so much and it is a really counterproductive way to run your social media. But if they want to get ahead of the game and really start competing for eyeballs between January and May when it's a much more crowded market than during the summer, they need to start engaging their audience and doing their part to help build it. For you, last night, it was basketball; your mind wasn't swayed. I have a friend who watches BOTH Castle and H50, both on opposite MM; she alternates which one she watches live from time to time, but the point is she watches ONE of them every week in that time slot. The network really needs to be the one leading the charge to carve out a chunk of the competition's audience. The viewers who LOVE the show can express all their love to all their friends - and Jamie, Jen, Sarayu and the rest of the cast can do their part too, and they have! - but if TNT doesn't help amplify the signal from the front of the pack, what example does that set? :/


Edited at 2013-04-10 04:48 am (UTC)
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 02:30 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Jamie's sudden, heartfelt, decidedly non-melodramatic declaration in that scene broke my heart.


That puts a fine point on it, right there; it wasn't melodramatic at all, it was sincere and it felt very raw and very real. There have been moments in the show that I did feel were a bit too heavy handed or overtly tugging at heartstrings and this wasn't one of them, he really nailed it. *beaming* :)


I watched that scene with held breath, one eye shut, and hands held loosely over my ears. Seriously. Oh me of little faith. What may have appeared cringe-worthy on paper, Jamie pulled off beautifully.

Word of mouth is definitely a crucial, indispensible form of advertisement, but it cannot exist in a vacuum; the network has to be aware of it and encourage it and do what it can to spread the word. And nowadays, though TV and print are still vital, social media is your #1 tool to encourage word of mouth. If you look at how many people tweet @MondayMornTNT vs. them actually engaging their followers?.. well, they NEVER engage their followers....


I get what you're saying and I don't disagree, but I think I look at it from a slightly different perspective if only because I'm older, just outside of that coveted target demographic range (which I don't mind admitting) and I don't use social media to become informed about or follow my favorite shows (although I am a Facebook user). And, although I do get TNT, my cable package is very limited and I must necessarily rely on the web or print media to get the buzz. (And besides, there's just not enough hours in the day to keep up with everything--I mean, Mad Men and Justified have been gathering acclaim for several seasons, but I'm only just now getting around to watching.)

Thus, I depend largely on the Internet, Netflix, and iTunes/Amazon video downloads. In fact, one reason I don't feel too guilty about watching basketball over MM was because I purchased the episode download from Amazon. Money talks.

Having favorites in competing time slots can be aggravating --I didn't like choosing between Parenthood/The Good Wife for a couple years, or between The Good Wife/Downton Abbey more recently--although the networks do pay attention to the number of views programs receive at their own websites. So, I'd watch one show live, the other on the website...which brings me to a TNT gripe of my own. TNT doesn't have a user agreement with Time/Warner Cable (only the largest cable service provider in the country) so I'm blocked from viewing their programming at the website.

You know, in the Collider interview Jamie specifically pointed out the Ty/Park dynamic as being something he enjoyed too and IMO it is definitely a part of the show that also became more tangible in the second half of the season. Also, something that I think unfortunately didn't always come across in the final edit the way it likely did a) in the writers room and b) in Jamie and Keong's approach to their scenes. I would have LOVED to see even more overt rivalry between the two and more opportunities for their egos to clash; in retrospect there are definitely key moments that speak to this, such as Gato's pep talk at the end of the pilot when Jamie spits out that line reading "Why don't you ask Sung?!" When Park asks Ty to assist in the violinist's surgery, at the time it felt more to me like Park simply not wanting to accept *anyone's* help, and less like he was specifically chagrined because he was asking Ty; now, I see that scene differently.


I admit, that entire working relationship didn't register with me until we started discussing Park's progression as a character, relatively recently. I think I was so focused on dissecting the Ty/Tina relationship for much of the series that I neglected Ty's other relationships, which seem less defined than Tina's other relationships (with Sydney, for instance). And I initially interpreted the violinist's surgery request exactly as you did, and then kind of dismissed it. I should re-watch.

Edited at 2013-04-10 02:45 pm (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 12th, 2013 02:10 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I get what you're saying and I don't disagree, but I think I look at it from a slightly different perspective if only because I'm older, just outside of that coveted target demographic range (which I don't mind admitting) and I don't use social media to become informed about or follow my favorite shows (although I am a Facebook user).

While I'm inside that target demo, I *am* toward the middle-higher end of it. That my job is entrenched in social media probably skews me a lot more than the average viewer, although it's always been something I've kept up with as a result of my job. (between my last gig and this one, I was a freelance writer; it's almost vital to that these days.) I will grant you, though, it's only a major component of the whole picture; like I said, print and TV are still important. And I think TNT did pretty well with the print and billboard campaign; TV, not so much (I think we talked about the odd mix of ads before on the comm...)

So, I'd watch one show live, the other on the website...which brings me to a TNT gripe of my own. TNT doesn't have a user agreement with Time/Warner Cable (only the largest cable service provider in the country) so I'm blocked from viewing their programming at the website.

Absolutely agree; if TNT isn't going to participate in any of the larger streaming services, they need to be more relaxed about the accessibility of their free view service and to eliminate one of the biggest cable providers in the country from that service is infuriating. (Not to mention one that is part of their corporate family - what the helllll?) Theoretically, I get why HBO and Showtime don't offer on Netflix and Hulu and how HBO to Go works, etc. But TNT is not a premium channel, so why so hard to get? (I got around this entire issue by just buying the season pass on iTunes - plus I just wanted to support the show - but I know not everyone has that option either...)
Physha1 From: Physha1 Date: April 23rd, 2013 01:33 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
just buying the season pass on iTunes - plus I just wanted to support the show

I bought the show on Amazon for that reason. And even though this particular series is not up my alley for many reasons, if they renew it I will likely buy future episodes just to watch Jamie. Cuz that's who I am. If I sat though "Ultimate Force" and frakking "Peak Practice," I can sit through this. At least the acting is tolerable, and often times very good. But give me a "Battlestar Galactica" or "Law and Order UK" any day over this drivel.

I finally got around to watching the last episode last night, and was not impressed. Jamie, as usual, was stellar, as were several other performances. I just think the whole thing is far too cheesy for my tastes. "Justified" is the perfect example of how a drama can be emotionally compelling without being too soapy. One glaring sudsy bit was when Ty walked in the 311 to announce Tina's awakening, but put on as if he were announcing her death. "Arrested Development" used this devise to be completely ridiculous and hilarious. But this drama leaned on it to create suspense. Sorry, writers, but it came off just as ridiculous and hilarious to me. This would be so inappropriate in real life, and although I support television's right be tweak reality, setting a group of people up to believe a loved one had just died only to announce that they were alive and kicking is just shitty, and fosters mistrust in the viewers.

More suds: The doctor-turned-patient schtick is a weakness of the book, and I'm disappointed that it was included in the show. Every bleeding medical drama relies on it, much to my chagrin. Is there not enough drama to draw from in a hospital setting without putting one of the doctors in a bed? I expected more from DEK.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: April 10th, 2013 08:07 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I wish someone had called her soon-to-be-ex, who, last time I checked, was still next of kin, no matter how emotionally distant he feels from Tina. But, as I've complained before, the cuckold husband is the afterthought in the Ty/Tina story.

Ha! I just brought that up in another comment! I get not having time for the character/actor with so much going on, but at least mention he's been contacted and perhaps out of town and working to get back.

I'm sure the championship game hurt the ratings somewhat. And while I'm not a basketball fan, I am a sports fan and cannot judge! I really do believe that the show was just starting to find itself in the last few episodes. If this were a network show, they could just be entering the middle of it's season. So, yeah, I really hope they get one more season to show what they can do with a bit of tweaking. Judging by Twitter, because of social media and fans, people are still discovering the show. Put it on in the summer when there is less competition and see what it can do.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 08:27 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Put it on in the summer when there is less competition and see what it can do.

AGREE!! (Remember when we were so excited we wouldn't have to wait as long to see the show when it got moved up from Summer 2013? There's a part of me now that actually kind of wishes they would have waited after all. :P )
jatgdiamondgirl From: jatgdiamondgirl Date: April 10th, 2013 09:16 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I'm sure the championship game hurt the ratings somewhat. And while I'm not a basketball fan, I am a sports fan and cannot judge!


The game drew something like 20 million viewers. A significant percentage were viewers who probably would not have even watched television that night otherwise, but I'm sure it also stole viewers from the competing networks.

I am a sports fan in general, and I love college basketball and March Madness, especially when I have a team in the brackets (plus, I have family ancestral roots in Kentucky, where a fondness for basketball, bourbon, barbeque, and bluegrass is embedded in our DNA) but baseball is my grand passion and I'm always listening to a game if I can't actually sit down and watch. I'm listening to a game right now, in fact.

I really do believe that the show was just starting to find itself in the last few episodes. If this were a network show, they could just be entering the middle of it's season. So, yeah, I really hope they get one more season to show what they can do with a bit of tweaking. Judging by Twitter, because of social media and fans, people are still discovering the show. Put it on in the summer when there is less competition and see what it can do.


The shorter season has put MM at a disadvantage. Networks seem to be re-thinking the traditional 22-25 episode cycle, shortening seasons and offering more original programming during the summer, and many cable shows already run on a 13-week cycle. Generally, I prefer the shorter seasons, because it's easier for me, as a viewer, to keep up, and, judging by the cable shows I watch, it seems easier to maintain high production and storytelling standards when there are fewer episodes to create. But the shorter season also gives a potential audience less time to find it. It obviously can't happen this summer, but I'm all for a MM summer run.





Edited at 2013-04-10 09:18 pm (UTC)
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