'The Smoke' Episode 5 SPOILER Discussion Thread - Jamie Bamber News
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'The Smoke' Episode 5 SPOILER Discussion Thread

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We're over halfway into the first season, folks; things are getting pretty intense and there were some SRS BSNS issues left hanging last week. What will Episode 5 bring to the table?! We'll find out shortly; those who have seen, please FIRE AWAY* with your comments below!

*not a pun
**okay maybe a little one


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From: genesgal Date: March 20th, 2014 09:39 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Gulp there's the tears sniff
From: genesgal Date: March 20th, 2014 10:32 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Not sure if it's me but Kev has a stronger accent this week. He's been dropping g's and Th's like they've gone out of fashion.

How totally gorgeous does he look in that blue linen shirt!

Killer line " what have I got...what have I got?"

Mal gets his comeuppance.... About time too.

Mal hauling Nick over the coals for lying about Kev

Lovely performance by Taran.. He's my second fave .
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 21st, 2014 04:46 am (UTC) (Link Me)
"When you had her, was he there? Holding your hand and all that?"
"No. He were in the pub. He were in the pub a lot."
"I would have been there."

*flail* Gaaaaaaaaah KIRKWOOOOOOOOOD!

Rather more detailed thoughts, coming soon, after I put this work week to bed. ;)

Edited at 2014-03-21 04:47 am (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 22nd, 2014 04:25 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Okay... so, wow. The last two episodes for me have really set a nifty tone of peeling back the layers slowly, but actually delivering on some of the underlying character reveals that make the show so compelling.

- Let's start with the big elephant in the room, which is HOLY SHIT: anteros_lmc, we were right. THE THERAPIST IS AN IMAGINARY FRIEND. And I'll be honest, my initial gut reaction was indeed "god dammit... did we have to go there?" However, and I'll wait to see how this is handled the next time she comes up... but *this* time I got a sense that it's not a case of him hallucinating or having some kind of psychotic break. I feel like maybe she is Kev's coping mechanism?; something he invented intentionally to give himself an internal outlet without having to actually speak to a real psych, which he might be too ashamed to do at the moment. (The fact that he told Nick he didn't need to see a therapist; well, no because he's venting internally to someone he made up. Also, "because I'm talking to you" this week indicates he is well aware of what he's doing to cope when he gets cornered and panics.) I'm not writing it off yet. More intel required.

- So the therapist was revealed, yet it was brief; there's a lot more there to discover. Which is also the case with Trish, who both had a significant amount of development this week and yet we also had a bombshell which wasn't explored in detail, which is that she has a prior conviction and at least one incident of violent behavior. And while it's killing me to know more about that, I do feel like what we got - her persistence and resolution about the job, her initial antagonistic attitude toward Ziggy but eventually opening up and confiding (Also, oh man Kirkwood - MORE OF THAT! Ladies got each other's backs, yo.), and of course that lovely lovely scene with Grace (who is just beautiful, isn't she?) was really satisfying. And, see above for my emotional uber-flail over that phone convo with kev. THESE TWO.

- Which leads to a specific revelation I had this week about Trish, which has become something I really really love LK for: She's upending another gender convention, much like she did with Ziggy last week, only arguably even more so because it deals with very common romantic tropes. It's so commonplace to see stories about men with pasts; maybe he was a criminal, maybe he was an addict, maybe he's pulling himself out of the gutter and trying to be a respectable fellow. And then they meet a good-hearted woman and all it takes is her love to redeem him. We've seen it many times; we raaaarely see the reverse. We don't yet know the details of that conviction, or what altogether else took place when she was young. (Was her ex a boozer *and* something worse? Were there drugs? Did any of it possibly contribute to Grace's palsy?) but clearly things were bad. And then, as she said last week, she met Kev - a responsible, smart, kind, super fucking HAWT guy. And she realized bloody hell, she really scored a keeper and she had a shot at a really wonderful life with him. To start over, basically, with a royal flush. Is that the kind of life changer that makes you do stupid things? Sure. Might she have hid a lot from him to risk losing that? You bet. Is she regretting not telling him now? Definitely, but she's not feeling sorry for herself; she's tougher than that, she's been through worse. She's trying to sort herself out, hoping (it would seem) that eventually she and Kev can pull it together. (as WE ALL ARE, NO? :) ) Also, in case it hasn't been stated enough, Jodie's just extraordinary.

Edited at 2014-03-22 05:20 am (UTC)
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 22nd, 2014 04:26 am (UTC) (Link Me)
- Was thrilled to see in the Cultbox TV review that Dale Cowan specifically called out Jamie's sense of comic timing, which asta77 and I have been championing for freaking EVER. ;) He really gets a chance to shine in that regard in this episode. ("I'm Nieve, I'm 10... "I'm Kev, I'm 37, can you go sit with your mates sweetheart?". SLAYED. Plus the story about his nan in the match factory and faces falling off. Brilliant.) And then, within moments, completely falling apart after being SO relieved to see Mal alive and just railing at him for that idiotic temper-tantrum (brought on by his being denied a blankie, no less - fitting.) Once more, Jamie had such a full plate to tear into this week and it's just a joy to see him get to bring it like this. *bouncy fangirl is bouncy*

- Yet again, though... *sigh* MalmalmalmalSHUTUPMAL. *headdesk* Still no closer to finding out exactly how he came to be so spiteful and selfish so often, but I still maintain that Rhashan's performance mitigates the situation a lot. It's coming from a place of pain we don't know about yet, he's not being a fuckhead for kicks; I don't want to throw my tea (or in this case, my wine - it was a long day yesterday) at the screen. So far he's the only layer that hasn't been peeled away as much as the others and I have to believe that's intentional; hit is us with something big soon, LK. THAT SAID... he took another big step forward with the scene where he tore Nick a new asshole. Well said, and well deserved.

- Oh Dennis. Weeee Dennis. (I think he's earned the right not to be called Asbo, at least not in my recaps anymore ;) ) Taron has impressed the shit out of me so far, but I really loved what he did this week; the resolve in his actions, in his face, in everything he did during that shout that said "I've got to prove myself here, and I know it's reckless but I'VE GOT THIS." Really amazing work. Everything about Dennis being accepted by the watch (well except for you know who) was just a joy. If I've got any complaints, it's that the moment meant to bring it crashing down - that scene with Gog - almost didn't bring enough menace to sour the happiness. It needed more impact. (I know, it's NUTJOBGOGGERS, but... well maybe his face looking like the inside of a pasty kept him at a disadvantage. Heh hehhh.)

- Zig playing both sides of the Kev/Trish standoff is a bit evil, and also totally fabulous. And "Oooooh, CAKE," trotting into the room wearing the Mother's Comfort bags all but made me literally fist-pump. Suck on it, lads.

There's more I'm leaving out but it's late, I need to zone out and I still have a load of John Doe thoughts to bang out this weekend. ;) Somebody else, take the conch...

Edited at 2014-03-22 05:28 am (UTC)
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 24th, 2014 04:32 am (UTC) (Link Me)
And then, within moments, completely falling apart after being SO relieved to see Mal alive and just railing at him for that idiotic temper-tantrum (brought on by his being denied a blankie, no less - fitting.)

Ha! Didn't think about Mal's tantrum in relation to the blankie. :D

But, seriously, I'm tired of having to deal with Mal the Asshole every week with zero context. With a lesser actor I would have wished for him to drown. The man slept with his best mate's girlfriend and he has the audacity to bring up helping with a flooded kitchen??? You did a horrible thing and you deserve to suffer! And while I assume Mal's intense dislike of Dennis has to due with Kev's increasing fondness for him, it seemed extremely stupid to get into a fight with him while trapped in rising water beneath a building.

Really enjoyed the scene of Kev dealing with the young girl. Given his own girls are around her age, I imagine it was a fun scene for him to play.

I think my problem with Head!Shrink (yes, yes, I did that on purpose ;), is that, if you are going to introduce something like that, you have to go all in. She was a prominent character in the first episode, disappeared for three weeks (which I found very perplexing, having assumed she was real) and then she has one brief, random scene this week. I can't say I'm thrilled with the development, but I could deal better if Kev was chatting with her every week.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 25th, 2014 11:08 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I can't say I'm thrilled with the development, but I could deal better if Kev was chatting with her every week.

I can see that. Or at the very least, every other week; Episode 3 was pretty busy with all the happenings at Little Al's fight, but I could see the potential for squeezing a brief scene with Pauline in there somewhere. Particularly as Kev had just been hit with the news of the fling; it would have made sense.

Speaking of which, we have yet to follow up with any of the business about Little Al being in deep shit for not throwing that fight. I'm wondering if it'll turn up this week since there's a focus on him watching his kid, etc.
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 27th, 2014 04:51 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I could have also seen Head!Shrink showing up at some point during Kev's night out with Ziggy. Or the next morning after dealing with Trish and Mal. He's had a lot of stressful moments following his return to work that it just seemed so random she'd suddenly show up at the building collapse, but not at other times.
From: genesgal Date: March 21st, 2014 08:43 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Having had time to think about last nights episode, I've come to the conclusion it was quite weak.

Not enough Jamie...( a total downer for a start)

What the hell were the school kids doing in a near derelict pump house, school outings have to be risk assessed and I'm pretty sure this place/ situation wouldn't of passed.

Not enough Jamie.....

The totally time wasting plumber scene... Could of seen more Jamie

Did I mention not enough Jamie!
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 22nd, 2014 04:28 am (UTC) (Link Me)
I'm sensing a.... pattern here? ;) In all seriousness, if the show were all Jamie all the time, would it really resonate like it does? The best thing about this show is the strength of the ensemble; if he didn't have everyone else to play off of, it wouldn't elevate his game like it does. Not to mention... well, you wouldn't have much to shape a show around. Even a central character as messed up and complex as Kev is right now can't shoulder an entire show on their own.
From: genesgal Date: March 22nd, 2014 01:07 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Being slightly pedantic( but only because I've watched the whole 5 eps again , and have tried to notice things/people other than JB)

The news tape he's watching has a time stamp of 24/072012 as the date of the Churchill estate fire.

Trish mentions that the anniversary of the fire is "next week", when she's talking to Ziggy on the phone. That would suggest that the present day is anything between16-22 of July 2013, however in last weeks episode. Kev's reminder text( for his testosterone jab) said 27/072013.

It's a silly mistake for continuity to make especially as they've been so brilliant in remembering scars from both the fire and the various scrapes the crew have gotten into.

Not a criticism of the show because quite honestly , nothing comes close to it at the moment. It's kinda ruined my TV viewing because everything else seems very half hearted and .
Two dimensional.

aurora1888 From: aurora1888 Date: March 23rd, 2014 02:13 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Ok where to start

Mal, Mal, Mal - What a selfish jerk he really is, I was cheering for Asbo during their punch up. Kev laying into him was not before time, have yet to see what if any redeeming qualities he has.

thought the scene with Trish and Grace was really well done and Grace is a wee cutie.

I'm not sure what to make of Kev this week, Jamie is doing an amazing job, love the developing relationship with him and Asbo and oh boy Asbo are you in a world of trouble. Gog is not going his beating lying down and this is going to end in a showdown between the pair of them and somehow Kev will be in the middle of it.

I'm really hoping now Trish seems to have got herself together that her and Kev are going to sort this out. Dammit I want them back together.
Lucy Kirkwood you are evil.
From: genesgal Date: March 25th, 2014 10:39 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Found this little piece about Jamie in the interview that Lucy Kirkwood did in the Independent a while back... It sums up both Jamie's talent and Kev the man
And those are some of the ways in which Kev Allison, our lead character, was born; not a gangster or meth dealer, but, in his words, "the dib-dib-dobbiest boy scout". A normal man trying to be good, in a world, a workplace, a body, all increasingly hostile to this. In Jamie Bamber's wonderful hands he is a complex, engaging everyman, the bloke who would've been the Don Juan of the sixth form, but has grown into a decent, generous leader, a man of heart and acute intelligence, who loves women, is unthreatened by them...until he suffers a devastating violence that unmoors him from everything he understood about himself.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 26th, 2014 03:47 am (UTC) (Link Me)
who loves women, is unthreatened by them...until he suffers a devastating violence that unmoors him from everything he understood about himself.

I liked the sound of this when that article was published (We posted the link to it on the comm); I like it even more now because TBH, the part about loving women and being unthreatened by them I think has been underlined a lot in both his relationships with Trish and Ziggy these last couple of eps. The lovely thing about Kev and Trish's relationship is that it does feel like a partnership of equals. The way they check in with each other speaks to how well they get on as friends as well as lovers, even when they are maintaining a distance and trying to work through something very painful. Of course he remembered her job interview. (Figure this was the first job interview she'd had since the accident; Trish doesn't strike me as a homebody, I'd imagine she had a job she had to give up when Kev was injured.)
Meanwhile, Ziggy definitely seems to be filling a bit of the confidante void now that Mal's still in the doghouse, and the way they relate to one another (esp. in that scene in the office) doesn't at all feel like "I'm opening up to you because you're woman, you're not guarded in your feelings like us blokes." It almost feels like she's graduating in esteem from one of the lads to someone he can trust in a leadership position.
From: genesgal Date: March 26th, 2014 12:35 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Oops in ep one Kev says he's been a fireman since he was 18, for 17 years.. That makes him 35 but in ep 5 he tells Neve he's 37. Nit picky but these kind of mistakes irk me. Wonder if I could get a job doing continuity on the next series.. Please let there be a season 2. So not ready to say goodbye to Kev Allison in 3 weeks. ( In all honesty , I've only spotted a couple of mistakes because I've watched and re watched each ep quite a few times.

Oh yes did anyone else spot Big Al using an inhaler when he'd been running around with the kids. Not entirely sure a fireman would be on active duty if he suffers from asthma.. Wonder if it's going to feature In one of the final eps!
asta77 From: asta77 Date: March 27th, 2014 04:54 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I caught the math error too. Even if he had a birthday that we didn't see/Kev chose to ignore, they are still a year off. Really surprised someone didn't pick up on that. But it's been over 20 years and I'm still ragey that Fox Mulder forgot he was a psychologist on The X-Files!
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: March 26th, 2014 11:45 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Finally managed to watch last week's episode just in time for this week's episode! So, do I get a prize for being right about the psychotherapist? ;) Have to say, I agree with zeegeekgirl, she seems to be a conscious coping mechanism. Her sporadic appearances are slightly puzzling, but I wonder if she'll feature more prominently next week?

Loved the scenes between Kev and the wee girl. Very funny and very well done.

Thought the outstanding scenes this week were the scenes between the women; Ziggy and Trish, and Trish and Grace. I really like the way both Ziggy and Trish's characters developed.

I was less keen on the confrontation between Mal and Kev in the pumping station. Kev yelling "I love you" at Mal seemed a touch unrealistic.

The Kev - Dennis - Mal triangle is intriguing. Kev clearly cares a lot about Dennis, but I can't help feeling that he's, either consciously or subconsciously, manipulating that relationship a bit to needle Mal.

Agree with zeegeekgirl again that Gog lacks menace. He's clearly a nasty piece of work but he doesn't have that volatile ,unpredictable edge that the most unsettling characters often have.

Thought the acting was excellent again this week. Jamie, Taron Egarton and Jodie Whittaker were all fabulous.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: March 27th, 2014 04:01 am (UTC) (Link Me)
Her sporadic appearances are slightly puzzling, but I wonder if she'll feature more prominently next week?

Given that the anniversary of Kev's accident is part of the synopsis for this week, I would imagine the odds on that are pretty good actually! We'll see.

Kev yelling "I love you" at Mal seemed a touch unrealistic.

I think it was "I loved you," past tense, but that's probably neither here nor there, heh. I know what you mean, and yet I think I was willing to overlook it because of what came before it. Having that panic over his friend's safety that cut through all the bullshit that has happened recently, only to have Mal's tantrum (in which he makes a point of bringing up the fact that it was he who physically pulled Kev out of the fire, it seems) bring it right back to the forefront. Kev's having his emotions yanked back and forth so abruptly that you can kind of see where he'd just had enough and unloads in that moment. It's definitely poised for max drama in that it happens in front of everyone though. :)

He's clearly a nasty piece of work but he doesn't have that volatile ,unpredictable edge that the most unsettling characters often have.

Hee, I was kind of indicating that he seemed less menacing with his face completely mangled! And actually, back in Ep. 3 I did think he was quite creepily menacing, esp. when he was insinuating himself in at the fight, flirting with Ziggy, etc. Thing is, and I guess this goes into the column w/ exactly why Mal is such a selfish bastard: Exactly what Gog is capable of is something we really need to start to understand soon, too. Most of the deliberate pace w/ the character reveals that LK is doing are GREAT, but a few could use more context; so far, besides having a go at Kev in the fire, we really only know about Gog beating up Kelly. Which don't get me wrong, is vile and horrible and he's got it coming for that! - but there seems to be a implication that he's done or is capable of much worse? What, exactly? Would love for that to be made clearer soon.

Edited at 2014-03-27 04:04 am (UTC)
From: genesgal Date: April 2nd, 2014 03:37 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Woman after my own heart, I don't purposefully look for mistakes ( especially in a how I love like The Smoke) but if I notice them, they bug the heck out of me too!
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