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'The Smoke': Episode 8 SPOILER Discussion Thread
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zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 13th, 2014 08:57 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
Flippin' hell, man.

Definitely a sense that this finale resolves a majority of plot threads, but yet still leaves crucial material to be mined in a second series if we get one. And I do love that about it. But good lord, what material to leave unresolved. (The tone of the episode feels like resolution, resolution, resolution, SHITSTORM OH GOD OH NO FFFFFUUUUUU..., resolution.)

I don't know why it didn't occur to me before that Trish might have just been brought to another hospital; sure it does happen quite often in big accidents, when they're sending out first responders from everwhere within a certain radius. 'Course, we were pretty confident she wasn't dead, weren't we? ;) I did rather love Julia saying she told Kev to come later and Trish immediately insisting he come NOW. And coughing and spluttering and ruining a make-up snog in her scuzzy jim jams. Oh how I love you, Whittaker. She's just the best.

Admired the fact that the show stuck to its guns and sent Mal packing, rather than a sudden change of heart in the finale where he stays; sure, there's room there for a reversal in a second series or at the very least we probably haven't seen the last of him. But it's true to the nature of this show for some things to remain broken; you pick up the pieces and you move on, but if fences are to be mended it's bit by bit, not all at once. Today's bit, it was giving Mal a lift in the back of a shitty camper van, and having a few laughs on the way.

BTW, Billy's kinda-crap but it had a good ending limerick about Mal was perfect. As was one of my favorite Madness tracks playing at the barbecue, and the fact that no one wanted to drink Billy's "amazing" cocktail and everyone just wants beers. And Big Al's ukelele. More shows need a ukelele now and then.

The Ziggy/Rob bit at first seemed really out of left field, as though it was the beginning of a plot thread that should have come about waaaaaay earlier in the season. As it played out though, it made sense in that it's more about Ziggy once again trying to reconcile the affection she has for her world away from home vs. figuring out her place in that home. There's a lot more story there, too, which I so hope we get to see. Ditto Little Al, who presumably will have different struggles to negotiate trying to make his family responsibilities work, too. And I wonder, since all we really got about Rob this series was second-hand information about how he has a pretty stable home life and lots of kids, if the wheels will come off and there will be something of a reversal for him in a potenial Series 2.

Everything about the tree planting sequence was difficult to watch, particularly because it was foreshadowed last week in Rosa's line about forgiving. It really does still bother me that we don't know many details about whatever else Gog has done in the past that made everyone on that estate so terrified they wouldn't speak up. Granted there is room for the implication that, in general, no one cares enough about their neighbors to do the right thing when tragedy happens, and that's pretty upsetting too.
zegeekgirl From: zegeekgirl Date: April 13th, 2014 09:00 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
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So then... Kev. God dammit. :( We discussed this a little back when it was definitively revealed that Pauline wasn't real, but moving forward if there's a second series it is absolutely clear now... he needs an actual psychologist. He needs HELP. I don't think he's crazy, and I think a lot of the decisions he's made when he was lucid the past few eps (esp. with Trish) were sound, but he's still got a hefty dose of PTSD that he needs to sort out. Jamie is so completely heartbreaking and wonderful in that moment just after Kev realizes he's taken the fire engine instead... on the phone to Trish, and the look on his face and catch in his voice, and he's confused and scared but he thinks he's got a handle on it. Shouldn't he have a handle on it? Everything's alright... it's over. Isn't it?

I'm actually quite impressed that, given how she was really only introduced in the last two episodes, the parallel between Rosa and Kev being so damaged that they ultimately, though without premeditation, come together to rid themselves of their demon in the most extreme way... it's strongly written, and also really really disturbing. On the surface there IS so much joy and hope in that last scene with Kev and Trish at the beach, such that it's kind of a gut-punch the way Trish initially says Kev is scaring her but then her anxiety melts away and she just assumes he's being daft because he's so happy he's finally going to get on with his life... well, yes. But at what cost? (I wouldn't bet against Pauline turning up again, although I'd probably bet more on us seeing gruesome burn-scarred Gog as the monkey on his back next series, too. Kev was actually right about being a good man, and not a heartless thug; he's going to try and move forward but that guilt will eat away at him.)

And dammit, all that we'd achieved between Kev and Dennis and it gets shot to hell. (Note, again, how when he's panicky and shouty Kev goes right back to calling him Asbo at the end there.) This is our big mystery, our big emotional thread of a second series if we get one: If either Rosa's or Kev's involvement in this fire comes to light, what will Dennis do? Now that he has been accepted into White Watch's ranks, he doesn't really need the Guv in his corner advocating that he be treated like a member of the family. Given what Kev's just done, the image Dennis has built of him as a role model in his head has been knocked down several pegs. (Mind you, I do see a way for LK to write this such that the relationship will be repaired, if/when Dennis realizes exactly how intense Kev's PTSD is.)

So much wonderful writing, despite some choices that I think don't work as well as they were intended and several characterizations that need more context. But I've enjoyed this series SO much. Really hoping we get to see more of it, and that we can actually see Jamie really negotiate Kev's way out of darkness. (It'll be a bit of a crusher if we're left with him still somewhat adrift. But at least he has Trish. <3 *sniffle*)
anteros_lmc From: anteros_lmc Date: April 13th, 2014 09:45 pm (UTC) (Link Me)
I did rather love Julia saying she told Kev to come later and Trish immediately insisting he come NOW. And coughing and spluttering and ruining a make-up snog in her scuzzy jim jams. Oh how I love you, Whittaker. She's just the best.
I loved that scene too! When Trish started coughing and spluttering and Kev half laughed and said "Are you all right?" It was just perfect!

we don't know many details about whatever else Gog has done in the past that made everyone on that estate so terrified they wouldn't speak up
I agree. I can't help agreeing that Gog was a bit underwritten. Sam Gittens was excellent, but he wasn't given much to go on.

Note, again, how when he's panicky and shouty Kev goes right back to calling him Asbo at the end there.
I noticed that too. There's so much to pick up there. I really hope there will be another series so that LK can explore that relationship.

Hope your crappy month is over and this month will be a better one for you :}
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